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Post by shawnboryca on Nov 2, 2009 11:39:50 GMT -5
I know you didn't write it Shawn, DeLee wrote it. You can tell by reading it. Hutto is Michaels friend. Well I don't know either guy. I was just researching curs and came across it.
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Post by hkairedales on Nov 2, 2009 12:11:34 GMT -5
We vaguely remember someone emailed us over 3-4 years ago requesting hair from our dogs for some sort of genetic project. It looked like a scam to us so we didn't respond. Don't think Bairedales wasn't in operation yet at the time. Around spring of 1999, we did DNA on both our black Roc and Fancy Girl in conjunction with the registration process. Roc's father was black & tan Robert McKenzie and the mother was Paula, a black female. Fancy Girl came from Anna Odom. Fancy's black & tan father was Harley and her black mother was Bon Bon. If they weren't purebred, the registry wouldn't have accepted them.
Carl
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Post by bhekadawn on Nov 2, 2009 12:23:44 GMT -5
This was a pretty interesting read over my morning cup of joe, although it appears that it is the work of another than Shawn and if it is a published work that can be that easily copied and pasted proper citing and credits are required. I am most interested, myself in further investigation of accusations and touts of glory days that lay withing the opening document of this thread. For the convenience of the posting party, I have provided the most recent MLA citation guideline and would appreciate a minimal response as to the origination of the article.
Thanks.
MLA 2009 Sample Works Cited Page
This handout provides an example of a Works Cited page in MLA 2009 format. Works Cited
"Blueprint Lays Out Clear Path for Climate Action." Environmental Defense Fund. Environmental Defense Fund, 8 May 2007. Web. 24 May 2009.
Clinton, Bill. Interview by Andrew C. Revkin. “Clinton on Climate Change.” New York Times. New York Times, May 2007. Web. 25 May 2009.
Dean, Cornelia. "Executive on a Mission: Saving the Planet." New York Times. New York Times, 22 May 2007. Web. 25 May 2009.
Ebert, Roger. "An Inconvenient Truth." Rev. of An Inconvenient Truth, dir. Davis Guggenheim. Rogerebert.com. Sun-Times News Group, 2 June 2006. Web. 24 May 2009.
GlobalWarming.org. Cooler Heads Coalition, 2007. Web. 24 May 2009.
Gowdy, John. "Avoiding Self-organized Extinction: Toward a Co-evolutionary Economics of Sustainability." International Journal of Sustainable Development and World Ecology 14.1 (2007): 27-36. Print.
An Inconvenient Truth. Dir. Davis Guggenheim. Perf. Al Gore, Billy West. Paramount, 2006. DVD.
Leroux, Marcel. Global Warming: Myth Or Reality?: The Erring Ways of Climatology. New York: Springer, 2005. Print.
Milken, Michael, Gary Becker, Myron Scholes, and Daniel Kahneman. "On Global Warming and Financial Imbalances." New Perspectives Quarterly 23.4 (2006): 63. Print
Nordhaus, William D. "After Kyoto: Alternative Mechanisms to Control Global Warming." American Economic Review 96.2 (2006): 31-34. Print.
---. "Global Warming Economics." Science 9 Nov. 2001: 1283-84. Science Online. Web. 24 May 2009.
Shulte, Bret. "Putting a Price on Pollution." Usnews.com. US News & World Rept., 6 May 2007. Web. 24 May 2009.
Uzawa, Hirofumi. Economic Theory and Global Warming. Cambridge: Cambridge UP, 2003. Print.
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Post by doylecpd on Nov 2, 2009 12:27:09 GMT -5
That was a horribly written article that tried to state facts but then switched to glorified opinion, Labradale or whatever, where is the proof that it was even a Labrador it was mixed with. I don't know enough about Blacks or Reds to have an opinion so that is where I stand.
The magazine that printed this article with no proof of anything should be ashamed of themselves unless of course the article is an opinon article but even then.
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Post by yooper on Nov 2, 2009 12:40:28 GMT -5
I have to admit this is interesting, I always enjoy a good article on genetics.
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Post by ed on Nov 2, 2009 12:45:28 GMT -5
This does not seem to me a magazine article.In any case the 19 abandoned Airedale story can be found at www.airedaleterriers.org/swat/aarf/background.htmlWhat is interesting here is the picture of the dogs. Really don't see Lab but obviously getting DNA from any of the black dogs would settle the matter. Most of the dogs look to be in the Phoenix area and some might still be living. There is a black airedale near me nice dog looks like a standard Airedale but for color.
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Post by southern on Nov 2, 2009 13:01:24 GMT -5
Every one loves a curification, it's that what they did to Christ. Just give a chance to answer this abomination. By the way, the dogs in Az were not mine, but I will answer that also
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Post by Undercover Cowboy on Nov 2, 2009 13:22:09 GMT -5
It seems like it should be real easy to explain the DNA deal with the dates they claim and when you actually had the testing done and who did the testing?
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Post by hicntry on Nov 2, 2009 13:27:14 GMT -5
Suggestion! Southern, this horse has been beat before. Get the DNA info you have and get it posted. The article Shawn posted already verified the dogs were registered with the AKC and the registrations were rescinded because the "ATCA" raised such a stink.....and they are, sadly, the keepers of the breed. Let's get it in the open once and for all.
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Post by jespinoza on Nov 2, 2009 14:14:26 GMT -5
As I've stated before, I am rather new at this but what I see is an opinion in that article of proof. I didn't see where any DNA proof was done on the " labradales". Were these dogs proven as crossbreeds before they were called that and removed from AKC? Also if the blacks were opinionated a lab cross, what are the reds considered, without DNA of course. I personally prefer the traditional black and tan airedale but if someone is going to discredit something, it would be nice to see some proof. I have not been in the business long enough to take sides but as a real job I am an investigator and I always like to see the facts especially in this very interesting thread. Also who were the people that took the stray blacks in and were they professional enough to distinguish behavior from one airedale to the next, and who spoke to these people. I am in the same opinion as Don, lets see the cards on both sides. Get all the proof out in the open.
John
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Post by southern on Nov 2, 2009 14:24:46 GMT -5
will be done this evening sometime guys. I still have a business and animals to care for, I will scan what I got. See you in the news
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Post by thistlesdale on Nov 2, 2009 14:25:02 GMT -5
I certainly wouldn't call that 2 bit hatchet job "an article" obviously it was a cut/paste, Shawn, so please fess up the link
I'd like to have a word with the author...
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Post by southern on Nov 2, 2009 14:58:50 GMT -5
Look, don't blame Shawn too much for DeLee's writing. Shawn is not educated to know that in order to post an article, you have to show the author. I guess in his quest to make me look like and idoit and a liar, he did not research that too well. I have been known to make the truth come out, and I shall do so, as stated. There will always be an idoit that will dredge this up. When Merrith Kipp collaberated with DeLee, she forgot we had DNA done. I hope she reads what I will post.
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Post by oksaradt on Nov 2, 2009 17:38:36 GMT -5
The original copied/pasted/contrived article was not written by an accomplished author as it jumped around and did not serve to communicate one primary message. It starts with PETA then meanders over to the novelty breeding. This smells more of stirring the pot than anything else. Most high school students these days know to credit an author when pasting their work verbatum, so I believe this was a convenient faux pau.
Regardless of that, it has become fairly inexpensive and convenient to learn the breeds that make up one's "novelty breed". Many veterinarians now offer this service via collecting the sample and sending it off to the DNA lab. A market for this has developed due to the novelty breeds where someone claims to sell you a labradoodle, a peek-a-poo, etc. when it's really the result of their female hitting up the neighborhood studs.
Any of you that are concerned about Southern's stock can pony-up the dough to test her stock. Go to her place and get a sample and send it off yourself. I'm sure she'd be happy to let you do that.
Jim Delbridge
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Post by southern on Nov 2, 2009 17:47:30 GMT -5
Thank you Jim, that was deeply appreciated.
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