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Post by southern on Dec 21, 2009 20:34:52 GMT -5
who insulted you? I just pointed out that you don't have a PHD, but neither do I, but the experts do
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Post by jespinoza on Dec 21, 2009 20:34:56 GMT -5
Ok Jax, I guess the reality of it is that someone did not really know what a type of dog it was. A cop would get on the stand and say that he did not know what it was. A good cop would not make up a name like labradale in order to fulfill someones wishes.
John
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Post by southern on Dec 21, 2009 20:39:00 GMT -5
Again, the DNA of the past proved parantage, maybe not as good as one would desire.,this proved the purity by genomes or pegs or what ever its called. Dr Templeton passed away back in Jan 09, but his widow told me that to his last days of teaching, he used our DNA as a teaching tool.
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Post by southern on Dec 21, 2009 20:47:11 GMT -5
Sorry boys, I am not gonna fight with you, the days of making me jump through your hoops are over. MY CASE IS PROVEN & CLOSED
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Post by jax on Dec 21, 2009 21:04:43 GMT -5
Ok Jax, I guess the reality of it is that someone did not really know what a type of dog it was. A cop would get on the stand and say that he did not know what it was. A good cop would not make up a name like labradale in order to fulfill someones wishes. John I think that it would be speculation to say what "someone" knew or didn't know at that point. I also think it speculative to say that Coady made up a name to fulfill someone's wishes. I even think it possible that Frank Drach was snookered when he bought Tina as a pup, that too is speculation. It is what it is and that is all that it is. This has reached an end that is not as accurate as I would have liked but I see no further purpose in continuing to discuss it. I am still sceptical and others are confident they have seen the light of truth. We don't have any more than we did 55 pages ago. Obviously we won't be getting any more than what we have at present so there will always be the difference of opinions. It was a lively discussion and quite entertaining and peaked my interest so that I got to read up on things I didn't know and that is good for me. I enjoyed it but I am finished with it. I am going hunting in the morning and won't be back till after the first. I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year.
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Post by charlie on Dec 21, 2009 21:13:20 GMT -5
Listen southern I am just going by what is written I don't need some trailer trash puppy mill operator insulting me anymore OK.. go out and clean your yard a little or maybe go get a job..!But quit insulting me I am getting tired of it.. Doylecpt.. Then what makes up the 50% that is Airedale...? Or has anyone ever taken a dog in and had it come back with more than 50% Significant ?? Has anyone had a DNA done on a black and tan Airedale? She's running for the phone about now is my guess.
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Post by jax on Dec 21, 2009 21:16:14 GMT -5
Ok Jax, I guess the reality of it is that someone did not really know what a type of dog it was. A cop would get on the stand and say that he did not know what it was. A good cop would not make up a name like labradale in order to fulfill someones wishes. John I think it is speculative to say that Coady was "fulfilling someone's wishes". Maybe and maybe not. This thing has reached an end. I am still a doubter and some are confident they have seen the light of truth. After 55 pages this is it. I am leaving to hunt in the morning and won't be back for a while. I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a prosperous and productive New Year. When I check in again maybe we will be on to hobby breeders or some other interesting topic.
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Post by thistlesdale on Dec 21, 2009 21:41:04 GMT -5
MY CASE IS PROVEN & CLOSED it's a done deal, boys! any further questions in the matter should be directed to: Mars Veterinary PO Box 10786 Gaithersburg, MD 20898-0786 301-444-7900 www.marsveterinary.com/contact.aspx
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Post by mb on Dec 22, 2009 9:34:13 GMT -5
Now I'm wondering what type of Bulldog was added.. Was it the old time pit-bulldog, or the English Bull Terrier, or the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or the English Bulldog. It's probably impossible to find out, but I've always been an admirer of the Bulldog family, so it's a plus in my opinion.As far as color, have any of the Blackies been checked for 'black spraypaint' ? Mike Berger, (there, thats my name, now who is this 'highcountry guy'?).
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Post by theresa on Dec 22, 2009 10:52:06 GMT -5
Mike, keep in mind that the 'English' bulldog, the BT, the APBT, and the SBT were all the same breed in 1800. While some lines of AD **MAY** have recent bull blood up close (I doubt it, but just saying) chances are that any bull blood that pings on the DNA tests reflects the early bull crosses over 100 years ago (and reflect the pitbully type rather than the squish faced modern English bulldog.) JMHO!
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Post by charlie on Dec 22, 2009 20:42:46 GMT -5
MY CASE IS PROVEN & CLOSED it's a done deal, boys! any further questions in the matter should be directed to: Mars Veterinary PO Box 10786 Gaithersburg, MD 20898-0786 301-444-7900 www.marsveterinary.com/contact.aspx Yes, the case is closed, but not in your favor. I guess if you keep saying it enough times you can convince yourself, but not anyone who can read unless they feel sorry for Dear, Dear Southern. The facts as usual are not on your side. Let's keep it simple and see if you can follow. The cry was that they were ALL Airedale. SIMPLE The test came back a whole lot of Airedale and some that was NOT Airedale. SIMPLE A whole lot does NOT equal ALL. SIMPLE That's a real simplification but that's what it IS. SIMPLE Big Deal. Who cares? You and everyone else can try to turn this into an intellectual exercise, to help poor little Dear Dear Southern, but it's really that SIMPLE. You, Don and anyone else that wants to, can call me an asshole, parasite or whatever you want. It's that SIMPLE. Not ALL Airedale. I said before I could care less about black, red or purple dogs. Those aren't the issues I have with Dear, Dear Southern. I'm just tired of people trying to MOVE THE FIELD GOALS. Case closed........NOT ALL AIREDALE... SIMPLE Take it up with Mars Labs. They exposed what was in there. Merry Christmas to one and all. Charlie
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Post by stepstardancer on Sept 24, 2013 15:05:20 GMT -5
I have bred & owned Airedales for Many years! I looked back to the dogs as far as 1915 & traced my blood lines from that time. My first Airedale was 110 pounds & Beautiful, He came from the Ouachita Kennels. he was bred to show Airedales from the lion heart line among others. As he was from. I am so happy to read this article as it clears up a lot of the questions I was wondering about. The only thing I want to know is the genetic proof which can be done in 2013! I looked at the reds and blacks on web sites & it just never clicked for me. I recently adopted a Airedale / black lab mix from the pound. She was a great dog but enough different in her personality & looks to be a pure Airedale. As all Terrier genes are very strong & I would guess if you cross bred an Airedale with a black lab & kept on breeding back to Airedales you would come up with these 'Rare Blacks"! I Want to See the Genetic PROOF, Period!!! Also I don't like the all black color! I am no gene expert but I am a artist & I see to much similarity to the Black lab/ Airedale cross I adopted in the photos of the blacks & reds. I have looked at the site where the lady says "we have genetic proof" & I emailed her asking for the genetic proof very nicely & she never answered!!! I think that says it all!!
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Post by theresa on Sept 26, 2013 10:42:02 GMT -5
If you start at the first page of the thread and wade through all the posts, you will see the 'proof' posted. It shows that the dog is mainly airedale with bulldog in the background. These 'results' are similar to other purebred airedales that are not black, ie traditional color and appearance.
I am not a fan of solid black dogs - I like flashy coloration myself. But I have explored canine coat colors and patterns and the bottom line is this: the full range of coat color possibilities exists in all dogs. There is no such thing as a pure color, and while you can breed a dominant color or pattern to another dominant color or pattern and have the color or pattern breed 'true', you cannot ever eliminate the recessive genes - they are always there and can and do crop up. This is how you get a pied lab, or a black and tan lab, or any other unusual or so called 'rare' color [often a disqualifying color] in any breed that has had a closed stud book for over 100 years or more.
That said, faked pedigrees and unscrupulous breeders are out there, in every breed. Some do cross breed to obtain a 'rare' color or pattern, and some sell faked champion papers on dogs so they can get top dollar for a mediocre bred dog. Faking happens on all levels, and papers are super easy to fake.
Bottom line for me - and I have no dog in the fight: Solid black dales, solid red dales - they happen. They are not rare, nor is the mis-marked coloring an indication of another breed thrown into the mix.
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