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Post by thistlesdale on May 11, 2015 23:06:12 GMT -5
 red hot to trot, but not quite my type DNA says minor bull terrier %, but he's thoroughbred thistle through & through (absolutely no bull about it)   |
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Post by ed on May 13, 2015 6:28:12 GMT -5
My German is little "rusty" but the Red Rooster from the Mud Duck kennel is a new one on me....
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Post by hicntry on May 13, 2015 10:19:54 GMT -5
" he's thoroughbred thistle through & through"
TD, where ya been? Are you saying you bred this dog? LOL That should get something going. How have you been?
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Post by thistlesdale on May 13, 2015 21:14:05 GMT -5
LOL according to my join date, we've been at this since 2008!
little duke never has come through, and he'll be 8 when the snows fly here again
we've backcrossed the best... come to think it we're looking forward to great, great, great, great grandchildren now...
red cull was obviously a "throwback" to early bench terrier type. Excellent dog but his conformation is all wrong lol!
I'll edit/post a more "typical" mutant muttant here tomorrow
there's a method to this madness, I promise
good to see y'all!
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Post by thistlesdale on May 14, 2015 22:58:37 GMT -5
 wild bunch great westminster holdup Little duke wasn't genetically prepotent enough to fix AT type on his own. I may have brought another AT sire in on the ped, but why re-invent the wheel? In the end I'd only have old farm collie type in an airedale suit. So I linebred the cross on performance, and this is the type that emerged/adapted. Twice the size of an AT, and I've been out of the AT game ever since. Another way of looking at it is, I swiped a Y chromosome from ouachita and put it behind some very high falutin showdoodle. Look at the size of the nose on that thing. Long jaw & big teeth to match. Not quite an AT quality bite yet, but getting there. Meanwhile my jr executive stockholders run the adoption dept nowadays, and they don't allow me to yap much, so I'll have to leave it at that  I'm deeply indebted to this group. I thought I knew what I was doing when I started out, but I sure learned a lot here. This group is an outstanding resource!! I learned genetics from Don, I learned selection from Ed, I learned pressure from Mark, I learned imprinting from Theresa, & finally I learned conditioning from Sam. I linebred a few generations on all that, and the get pretty well speak for themselves. I'll come back and post a video of my ultimate ideal when it happens. Just around the bend, I'm sure... y'all take care |
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Post by hicntry on May 15, 2015 10:48:27 GMT -5
"Little duke wasn't genetically prepotent enough to fix AT type on his own."
Prepotence is the ultimate goal of inbreeding and line breeding TD. The methods are used to create dogs that are capapble of reproducing themselves but it takes a lot of time and once achieved, seldom is a carbon copy of the original stock. When they do start reproducing themselves, it has to be both in phenotype and genotype. The genotype is what makes all the pups predictable in temperament. When they become predictable, you have what used to be correctly called a line. When both sides, males and females are tightly bred as mine were, many times you will see two distinct phenotypes in a litter. Each half will be carbon copies of each other. Just got to give it time. Once you develope the prepotence in your line, the quality of the dogs largely depends on your original breedstock and your selection. Good luck.
Don
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