E-Collar? What.....

[phil]

What piece of equipment did the e-collar replace in the early 70's?

This equipment was used on High end retrievers by the Pros. The equipment was used to provide correction when the dogs took the wrong line to the target bird or the wrong entry in the water. It's use to day in the area of correction is non-existant. Though it is still used in training and trialing and testing.
another hint... way more affective than throw chains!!!!

Cheers

Hal

"If you condone it in your dog you own it" Rex Carr

[hicntry]

Whistle?

[ed]

SLINGSHOT

[phil]

Don Nice try, no
Ed Close, though the slingshot was and is still used, especially by the Brits, it lacks the range and precision needed to provide a correction.

The E-collar replace the shotgun as a correction devise. Retrievers and spaniels were shot at with light loads, especially to correct angled entry into water or failing to sit when told. Distances were usually around 60-70 yrds. These loads were in the sub-sonic range as far as speed and shot sizes were quite small 9-10's.
For close up corrections, .22 load with 10 shot work well also.
Last time I saw this type of training done was over in Wisconsin, as I recall was 1983

There was a lot of debate as to the proper technique when training this way, though hands down do one that ever learn how to use the collar would go back to the gun.

Cheers

Hal

[bobmcclellan]

I have an old book here, “The Last Of The Plainsmen” written by Zane Grey, in which Grey recounts a cougar hunt he made with Buffalo Jones. Grey describes Jones’ method of breaking his hounds from running deer. He used a shotgun loaded with small shot.

[phil]

That is exactly where the idea came from. 1st used on hounds, for either trash breaking or deer breaking.

Hal

[hicntry]

Tried a slingshot for the barkers. They are not worth a crap. Little Daisy Ryder is the cat's meow though. Still not super accurate but I can see the BB as it is only spring operated. I don't have an e collar and probably shouldn't.

[danbo393]

When you shoot your dog with a gun of anykind.. Does not the dog cowl and hide when he sees the gun when you want to go hunting, or become gun shy..

[hicntry]

Naw, I got two big red bandanas tied to it hanging down. But, when I pull a bandana out of my pocket to wipe my forehead they all snap to attention. Recently Jack was out of the yard to go to town with me but he was just cruising around being a sh*t and wouldn't get in the truck. I pulled a red bandana out of my back pocket and he was scrambling for the truck. This BB gun doesn't hurt, I had Betty shoot me in the leg at close range with my overalls on. The dogs just can't figure out how I can reach out and touch them from the deck.

[jacks]

May 8, 2010 23:25:43 GMT -5 hicntry said:

Naw, I got two big red bandanas tied to it hanging down. But, when I pull a bandana out of my pocket to wipe my forehead they all snap to attention. Recently Jack was out of the yard to go to town with me but he was just cruising around being a sh*t and wouldn't get in the truck. I pulled a red bandana out of my back pocket and he was scrambling for the truck. This BB gun doesn't hurt, I had Betty shoot me in the leg at close range with my overalls on. The dogs just can't figure out how I can reach out and touch them from the deck.

Now this is an interesting observation! Dogs can not see red. They only have two color cones in their eyes, blue and yellow.
That is why Cuz always trains with orange bumpers. The dog has to use his nose to find it in grass but a man can see the orange bumper easily. Everything he scent trains with is orange, scent cans, bumpers, even the odors he proofs are put on orange cloth. Try it sometime. Put an odor you know your dog recognizes on a piece of orange material and put it in green grass. Then watch the dog try to find it. He will find it but he will locate it by scent even if he is standing right on top of it.
I'd be interested to know if you think the dogs are cueing on the bandana because of its' shape, or smell, or maybe your physical carriage? There is some obvious clue but it isn't red color.

[ed]

Dang and I thought orange was his favorite especially in a cold duck pond

[hicntry]

Well now Jacks, to be certain, the bandana I am holding up, as I said, is red. I don't now how you are figuring this, but, he can see it and with that in mind, I guess it doesn't matter if he sees it as yellow or blue, I am still holding up a red one and he can see it. Another simple concept made difficult. It may not make any difference what color bandana I hold up but it doesn't really matter since it isn't hiding in the tall grass. The dog in Ed's picture found that bumper by sight also and Ed can probably tell you it won't matter which way the wind is blowing.

[hicntry]

Well it os another day and thought formulate with time. Now I am curious Jacks, Why did you assume because the dog only has two color cones and can't distingwuish red from orange or yellow from green. that the object isn't readily visible to him. The doig just doesn't see color like we do but he isn't blind. Cuz didn't explain that to you very well. I was reading yesterday or the day before that Charlie Lucky has passed and was responsible for taking a $1,000,000 of contraband off the streets.

[Summit Forge]

Yea, this color thing is quite baffling to me. The books say that dogs can only see black and white, blue and yellow. How this finding was arrived at I do not know.

However, I do know that Forge was able to see pieces of orange plastic tape where I marked birds for my own reference during training. This finding has been verified by a Pro retriever trainer as well. He/we do not know what color they are seeing but they can see orange stakes, poles and tape. It seems that they are able to distinguish them less than black/white. It just makes it more interesting to see if one can out-smart the dog.

Ron

[hicntry]

I read a piece once that said they simply cannot distinguish beteen re and orange or yellow and green. Nowhere did they say they couldn't see an orange bumper....amybe they see it as a different colort but they definitely can see it. Ron, did you see the pictures of that pup cowboy. I posted those for you. LOL That dog isn't far from you either. He is Easton, Md. He is going to be reteiving cold water ducks this next winter.