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Post by jsf13 on Dec 17, 2005 14:20:09 GMT -5
If that is the book I remember ,it was more about guard dog training than personal protection?The first section was about that and the second section was his obedience training methods followed by training for specific problems ie,digging,fighting etc.Is that the same one?
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Post by jsf13 on Dec 17, 2005 19:22:52 GMT -5
I still have the Koehler Method of Dog Training.Found the other one to be too redundant as I was not interested in guard dog training per se.A lot of people find his methods to be too harsh by today's standards but they still seem perfectly sound to me.  |
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Post by frankieb on Dec 17, 2005 23:29:45 GMT -5
jsf...i would have to agree on the harshness of his methods,but they still apply with the right dog. You also have to remember when this book was writen and in my opinion i where alot tougher and had more of a civil drive to them.
frankieb
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Post by frankieb on Dec 17, 2005 23:31:14 GMT -5
oops i meant to say the dogs where alot tougher.
frankieb
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Post by jsf13 on Dec 18, 2005 10:14:11 GMT -5
I became aware of Koehler back in the 70's.My uncle used to breed Dobermans and when I got my Akita he recommended the Koehler Method of Dog Training to me.(When I found out he was the guy that trained all those Disney dogs I was really sold,lol.) Anyway I've been using it off and on ever since. A guy named David Dikeman also made a lot of money selling essentially the same training methods under his own name on TV a number of years back as I recall.
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Post by morgan on Dec 18, 2005 10:55:16 GMT -5
Dikeman did work on TV. Koehler, as many of you know well, was Disney's trainer. His consistency was excellent in writing. One thing to be aware of is that the "method" in the book was often written as a reaction to critisism. He's a very defensive writer.
I first got Koehler and "Training You To Train Your Dog" by Blanche Saunders (one of the first obedience exhibitors with Standard Poodles). Winny Strickland's book references German Shepherds, and is also historically interesting.
Dave in NYC
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Post by melanie on Dec 18, 2005 11:31:55 GMT -5
I became aware of Koehler back in the 70's.My uncle used to breed Dobermans and when I got my Akita he recommended the Koehler Method of Dog Training to me.(When I found out he was the guy that trained all those Disney dogs I was really sold,lol.) Anyway I've been using it off and on ever since. A guy named David Dikeman also made a lot of money selling essentially the same training methods under his own name on TV a number of years back as I recall. I have both Kohler's book and I have Dikeman's tapes. I really like Dikeman's approach, it works extremely well, going back to "let the dog correct himself." The best heling dog I ever had, Idgy, was trained to heel using Dikeman's(Koehler's) methods. Hey, at some point one has to correct his dog. It's great if the correction comes not from you, but from a bogeyman, and the dog learns really fast how to eliminate the bogeyman! I liked Curt's "Benevolent Handler" idea. Same philosophy I adhere to. Tha'ts what Dikeman is based on - the safe spot is at heel with his handler. THe only question I get from this is the away work, once you've trained your dog to be "safe" next to you. But I've not gotten that far, so I shall see. Looks like i might be hauling out ol' DIkeman's tapes for a looky loo. I didn't even know anyone else had heard of him?  For now, I want to move where it's warm. I just can't get into training when its 13 degrees. for me, that is just not fun.  Training has to be fun! We're doing lots of *in-house* work.  [glow=red,2,300]Mel[/glow] |
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Post by hicntry on Jan 3, 2006 12:37:48 GMT -5
What I have done in the past that works well is to train them to a heel, sit and stay when young. It is up and down as the attention span wants to wander so I use treats. Once they are fairly solid for a pup, I ignore the training till they are about 12 to 15 mo. then I start running them through it again with no treats....just praise. They remember it all and are much more solid than they ever were when younger. They pick everything up quicker at that point. Since I am not a stickler for training ;D and just did it to see if I could, I don't mind waiting a few months here and there. I only did it once to three pups and never did it again but , out of those three pups, I kept one and sold the other two for quite a bit more because of the basic obedience they had. The problem I see is that for the approx 40 hrs(ea) in training these pups, It pays a lot better to go to work occasionally. ;D Now If I enjoyed training, I might look at it differently. Then again, patience is not and never has been my strong suit.  |
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Post by airedale88 on Feb 14, 2006 5:52:06 GMT -5
i've always used koehler's methods in training. proper application is not harsh at all. the Baron got his CDX based on that training and a friends dobe i helped train got his CD.
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Post by jsf13 on Feb 14, 2006 20:18:34 GMT -5
i've always used koehler's methods in training. proper application is not harsh at all. Agreed! |
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Training has to be fun! We're doing lots of *in-house* work.
