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Post by lauregen on Jul 14, 2007 11:23:28 GMT -5
The Giant Schnauzer Club of America originally had asked AKC to become another accepted breed club to hold these events but pulled it's request to "poll" the membership. They will be holding a demo at their specialty this year so perhaps by next year they will get on board.
Interesting how another breed club can get itself into gear while the ATCA is still sitting on its hands. Also interesting is that even if the GSCA has a demo its dogs won't suddenly become ugly.
A responsive club takes action or at least explores the possibilities while an unresponsive club ignores the desires of its members and does nothing.
Laura
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Post by morgan on Jul 14, 2007 11:27:19 GMT -5
Laura-I say again for the umpteenth time:
We will hold a demo at a Specialty. It is at Montgomery County PA the first weekend in October every year. Send me a list of dogs/handlers ready to demo. I have asked many times. I have no teams to demo and therefore no pitch to our board. Great idea-let's go!
Dave in NYC
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Post by lauregen on Jul 14, 2007 13:51:43 GMT -5
How many people in the MCKC driving area have voiced an interest in VPG? Yes, that's a great show but not necessarily the one that would attract people interested in VPG.
As an alternative you may want to ask other breeds. A demonstration with another breed is better than no demonstration at all. There are a ton of working clubs that are within reasonable distance of MCKC. There are also top Doberman exhibitors. I don't know the people involved in the other breeds to know where they are.
Then, Airedale people could see the best (or at the very least good working dogs) and start to understand what VPG is all about and whether there is interest is it.
Laura
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Post by ed on Jul 14, 2007 18:27:46 GMT -5
I have a VPG 2 Airedale (protection iVPG3 capable). The dog has always been pronounced "a" in protection during trials.
What kind of demonstration are you seeking?
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Post by hicntry on Jul 14, 2007 21:09:06 GMT -5
Well, at the moment, Briscoe is the only dog I think could actually put on an impressive demo. With that being said, I think Dave has a valid point. To make this doable, I think there has to be a bit more of a following in the sport. I don't think showing other breeds in a demo will cut it with most airedale fanciers because they "don't want to believe" their precious little dogs are capable of this. They visualize them as clowns, best friends and companions. They like it that way. Adversely, a GSD owner, expects their dogs to stand their ground and protect and are disappointed when they don't. It is all about mind sets.
Now, I am not saying that the ATCA couldn't encourage a program because an educational program would be a start. A positive program run by someone that wants it because the club itself would approach it negatively because they would not want it to succeed.
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Post by lauregen on Jul 15, 2007 9:50:53 GMT -5
Well, good news. Working Dog Sport is not only about protection. :-) To really show people what is involved there should be dog/s demonstrating good obedience and tracking skills in addition to protection. Too much emphasis on protection misses the point of the sport. To really draw people in, all aspects should be promoted. There are people who would become interested because of the tracking, or the obedience first and then eventually their interest may expand.  Laura |
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Post by ed on Jul 15, 2007 11:34:16 GMT -5
"A responsive club takes action or at least explores the possibilities while an unresponsive club ignores the desires of its members and does nothing."
"Well, good news. Working Dog Sport is not only about protection.To really show people what is involved there should be dogs demonstrating good obedience and tracking skills in addition to protection."
Are you aware at the last H/W there was specifically a VPG TRACKING seminar. To my knowledge Dave Morgan was the first H/W comittee member that promoted this or any other VPG event. To do this WORK was required to make arrangementst,obtain a knowledgeable speaker/ demonstrator, incorporate it in the schedule,plan out travel details etc
Please explain what you are offering to do?
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Post by lauregen on Jul 15, 2007 11:50:39 GMT -5
No, I don't know anything about any H/W gathering, conference, etc. I'm sure that most Airedale people aren't regulated following H/W. how many people were at the tracking session there?
It seems to me that if there's going to be a demonstration about Working Dog Sport it needs to be that the entire sport. To show only one aspect (protection), and one that many people object to and have concerns about, is not a realistic picture of the entire sport.
I'm not offering to do anything. It's Dave's idea to have something at Montgomery. I'm only making suggestions to put the best and most realistic light on Working Dog Sport.
Using your dog, for example, is a great way to show how Airedales can excel at protection. I'm just saying that the other aspects of the sport should be demonstrated as well.
I think if your dog is there to demonstrate projection that is totally excellent way to show how this aspect of the sport in no way makes dogs 'vicious', which is a common fear among people who know nothing about the sport.
But, as you know, a groundwork of responsive obedience is integral to succeeding in the sport. So, any demonstration will only be strengthened by including an obedience aspect.
Laura
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Post by morgan on Jul 16, 2007 8:14:48 GMT -5
<<They will be holding a demo at their specialty this year so perhaps by next year they will get on board.>>
The reason I say that we need to hold such an event at Montgomery is that the AKC requires it take place at our ATCA National Specialty, not because I like the venue. Any demonstration for AKC qualification would require a dog able to comlpete a full "WDS" routine as outlined by their website.
Other possibilities are almost endless, and as Ed writes, have been seen in other years. Other possibilities will do nothing to qualify Airedales for AKC working dog sport tests.
Dave in NYC
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Post by lauregen on Jul 16, 2007 10:47:36 GMT -5
I can't be there (at Montgomery KC), but I'll be happy to support you whatever way I can.
Laura
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Post by ronstout on Jul 21, 2007 7:16:06 GMT -5
Curt, you may not have been ejected yet, but I suspest your heels have already been greased. I think I am on borrowed time as well.LOL
You have brought up germaine points that I have given absolutely no thought.
When I was 'thinking' I was assuming all these Banner ads and the attempted delivery of spam to my E-mail was how the cost Of this board might be defrayed....but after
giving it more practical consideration, I have concluded that Don, perhaps Wolfer and some others might be having to pay a hefty fee to provide this forum for us.
I am now asking for truthful cost estimates and also proposing that we who use the board will pay a modest 'membership' fee.
There are plenty of us that are'nt on the verge of grabbing a pistol and doing in a group of Christian Jesus seekers. (ho, I may have considered it, but my future programs might not be enough to inspire proper 'ju ju' to the proper consideration.
Again...give us a cash number....for our share of helping to keep this very informative and certainly entertaining ourselves.
RON ESQ
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Post by jsf13 on Jul 21, 2007 9:25:18 GMT -5
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Post by Wolfer on Jul 21, 2007 12:24:46 GMT -5
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