jesse
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Post by jesse on Feb 20, 2008 18:41:33 GMT -5
Here is a video update on Eve. Shes coming along nicely and i have high hopes for her. Its 15 degrees with a wind chill of 0 in this video. God the stuff we do for our dogs ;D www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC2xonw7HB4 |
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Post by markbaldassarre on Feb 20, 2008 19:58:55 GMT -5
Jesse
Who's the helper in the vid... you?
What was with her not commiting on the first several strikes? Was the helper keeping the dog from getting the sleeve in order to build frustration, or was the dog not yet willing to grip?
Her intensity over all looks good and so does her grip once on.
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Post by ed on Feb 20, 2008 20:06:35 GMT -5
She looks fine Jesse,now what would she do facing a real big guy?
Come on by sometime especially on Thursday night.
Mark Eve is the litter sister of the dog your friend has,how is he doing?
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jesse
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Post by jesse on Feb 20, 2008 22:00:39 GMT -5
Mark,
Yes that was me as the helper.
Eve doesn't have the consist antsy down yet. Some days she bites rite away others days its like you saw. Over all she getting better and i attribute it to age.
What i really like but didnt show on the vid is how unwilling to stop she is, once "on" she will go for hours and not lose interest. Im keeping it short for now.
Ed,
Dont know how she would react to a diffrent helper, but its probably time to find out. Ill call you in the next couple of weeks and get something planned.
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Post by markbaldassarre on Feb 20, 2008 22:46:43 GMT -5
Ed,
I haven't seen "Eddie" lately but should be seeing him soon.
Jesse,
Did she have a bad experience w/the hard sleeve at some point? Might be a good idea to go to a rag sleeve for a while. Also, if/when she strikes w/o commitment; tease her up and then put her away. Give her only one opp to bite, if she fails- put her up. A session w/Ed, where she watches another dog work and she is not given a bite may also frustrate her enough to get her out of that crap. I wouldn't suggest letting her watch YOU decoy another dog though.
Another idea would be to incorperate OB with her instead of backtying her when you do the helper work. Sit stays releasing her to a fleeing bite would be a good idea, IMO.
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Post by markbaldassarre on Feb 20, 2008 22:57:04 GMT -5
Also Jesse, you may be overloading her and putting her into defense w/that full frontal approach decoying for your own dog. I'd go full out prey mode with lots of side to side movement causing her to miss a few times before letting her grab you on the fly.
To me, it seems like she sorta goes into fight {w/the sleeve} once she can get past looking at you in defense. Remember-she's a female {no nuts huh} and will be lower in fight and more sensitive. It looks like your working toward a hold and bark which is going to bring about active aggression {fight}. It's VERY hard to elevate a FEMALE/ PUPPY to that level w/YOU the OWNER as the HELPER. Probably the cause of the conflict,IMO. That or a bad catch on the hard sleeve.
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jesse
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Post by jesse on Feb 21, 2008 7:21:03 GMT -5
Mark,
No bad experiences with the hard sleeve. She is the same way with the rag or tug or sleeve. She started this when she was about 5 months and i got laid up for two weeks with pneumonia. Before i got sick she was great after she had the hesitation.
Why shoulnt she watch me decoy another dog? Seems like it might teach her to commit.
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stew
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Post by stew on Feb 21, 2008 7:29:46 GMT -5
Jesse-she looks good. I would put her up and let her cook for a while, no rush. What you don't get on the front end is returned on the back end when she is still working at 10yrs. Then no back tie, ob for bites, all prey.
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Post by markbaldassarre on Feb 21, 2008 10:48:15 GMT -5
Why I don't like dogs watching their owners decoy?
1. If you do that on the field & another dog attacks you for real in the street, what would you expect her to do?
2. If she only sees decoying as a "game" {while wearing the sleeve}, something is lost. The training is cheapened.
IMO, it's a no win situation.
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toju
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Post by toju on Feb 26, 2008 10:03:38 GMT -5
Hi, im new on this board. Michael Juhlke from Germany gives me the link to this board!
Sorry because my Englisch is not so good! I would like to talk about the video from Eve!
Im on the same potion like Mark. Eve ist a young dog, an she should fight against his owner, her boss??? Thats the big problem for this young dog. I wouldnt do the helper for my dog during he is 3-4 years old. He can not make aggression against his boss, thats what i see on this video! I think she had good experience an good drive. She will go her way but she had to need an longer time. Remember a Airedale is need a long time youth to attained full growth. Second Remeber the SCH / VPG 3 for an Airedale is with 3 Years very Early, so you had a long time! Need it!! Third Remember: With 8 Month could be its the End of theeting.
The next point I see is the same like Mark say, You go with the front into the dog, so it is a great loading for the dog, Second the sleeve is on the site, so not the real "booty" the dog had to find about "Military district", and for this the dog ist to young!
The last point is, you as the friend from the dog can not help the dog fighting from behind, because you are in front as helper. When the dog make his grip he goes away an pushed in the Rope, thats the dog didnt understand, an spit out the sleeve, thats worsned the grip. So the dog didnt lear right thing´s. In Examination you lost the points!!!
I think it´s better to didnt work the dog as working like this and this time!
I hope you understand my Thouht, and can give some Suggestions
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Post by ed on Feb 27, 2008 11:07:50 GMT -5
Glad to hear from you.
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toju
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Post by toju on Feb 27, 2008 13:02:07 GMT -5
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jesse
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Post by jesse on Feb 28, 2008 17:52:44 GMT -5
Mark and toju, thanks for the comments and suggestions. Some i knew others i should have  The point of the vid wasnt to show how i train but just to show a glimps of where she is, and to let the world at large know there is more than one or two airedales here that can work. Jesse |
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Post by markbaldassarre on Feb 29, 2008 0:23:57 GMT -5
No problem, Jesse.
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toju
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Post by toju on Mar 1, 2008 15:44:58 GMT -5
Hi Jesse,
sorry if I have an Question. But you wouldn´t show how you train, but you would show us how good Airedale Eve is.
I see, an Airedale who didn´t make the first grip!
Im´on the same with you, that there are a lot of Airedale who can work´. A lot of more the two or threre. Imo your Eve is one of them who can do a good work. But when i saw this Video, i think if you and your Eve works well, we all can see a Airedale a very good working Airedale.
If someone out of oure Race see this Video, the y could talk " i know Airedale didn´t make a good grip" But tahs´s wrong because they can make an exellent grip if we all works well!
One of my first Trainer in protection say to me: Thomas if you train for 100 pts in SCH, you can be in a Competition 90-95 Pts. If you train for 80 pts yoe will become almost 70 pts. But the needed time ist the say! I think this guy talks right!
Don´t be angry for my word´s. This is my Mind about SCHh / Protection Sport!
Nice weekend
TOJU :-)
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