Kimf
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Post by Kimf on May 21, 2008 4:35:09 GMT -5
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Post by markbaldassarre on May 21, 2008 15:25:19 GMT -5
Kim,
Can't get them to play.
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Post by ed on May 21, 2008 17:55:34 GMT -5
Kim thanks for posting vids... Can you explain the character test www.kolumbus.fi/kim.florstrom/Pages/EN/En.htmlSeems like it selects for sport rather than more serious dogs, How do they test sharpness,hardness and protection wllingness. My reading of Airedale character is it is to be neutral/reserved....... under vlll (kind approachable ) is + 3 while reserved is graded lower? Mark i got them to play ? |
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Post by markbaldassarre on May 21, 2008 19:38:18 GMT -5
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Post by markbaldassarre on May 21, 2008 20:14:14 GMT -5
got 'em they just load slow
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Kimf
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Post by Kimf on May 22, 2008 2:31:06 GMT -5
These files are on a server in Germany, so if you load them from outside Europe, it might take a while. They are normal avi-files, so they should work just fine on most video players - I've tried several, without any problems including Windows Media Player 11 Ed: Our character test is mostly bullshit - it's a test for show dogs, to get some kind of an idea, what they have inside their head. Two 'judges' gives their subjective (and usually very optimistic) opinion of the dog (after 12 situations for the dog), by giving + or - points (with multipliers) and adding them together. It has become more of a competition, who gets the highest score. The only way in this test to get a picture of the dog is to be at the test and observe. In Sweden they have a better system, that we hopefully will import - it's called: mental dog description. There they mark on a sheet in witch way and how strongly the dog reacts to different situations and things (on a scale 1-5). And from these results they create a diagram, that is quite easy to read - and add the result to a database. The goal with this whole thing is NOT TO TEST AN INDIVIDUAL, but to find out good and bad similarities in a litter and more important - in a breeding line - so a lot of dogs has to be described and added to a database to get a larger picture. Run this link, and extract the zip file - it includes a pdf file with an English description: www.genetica.se/_manuskript/working%20dogs.exeThis is how a diagram for tested Airedales in Sweden (all together) looks - you can compare it to the other breeds in the pdf: www.genetica.se/_mh_data/airdale.pdfNumber 10 indicates how strongly tested (show)dogs have reacted to-wards a shot.  Here's a video (25min) of a Swedish dog: video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7420735596203545007 |
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Post by ed on May 22, 2008 18:00:27 GMT -5
Kim i can't get it translated but managed to work out a few words ..threat game... curiosity prey....a few questions
What does the inner green circle mean
Comparing the Bouvier to the Airedale ...the test patern for the Bouvier fills only about half the circle in comparison to the Airedale.?
On the shot it seems like this is the Airedales highest or most consistent behavior...
Any help is appreciated
By the way Treffenwald seems a very strongly represented German kennel in Finland yet no v. Erikson dogs
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Kimf
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Post by Kimf on May 23, 2008 1:38:07 GMT -5
I quote the English pdf Diagrams 1-13: "The round circle in all the diagrams corresponds to the mean of test values for all the thirteen breeds and for each of the traits. Mean values are all set to zero and individual breed and trait values are expressed as deviations from the overall mean for the trait in question." It means that every line away from the green circle is a difference of 0,2 comparing to working dog breeds in generally. You can check out different breeds results before this year (from the lower part of the page - under "Rasdiagram enskilda raser"): www.genetica.se/mh_data.htmThe names of breeds are in Swedish, but most of them are the same or similar in English (schäfer = German shepherd). A short course in Swedish, so you can understand the diagram's groups better: Kontakt = Contact Lek = Play Jakt = Chase Grip = Grip Intresse = Interest Nyfikenhet = Curiosity Aktivitet = Activity Skott = Shot Rädsla = Fearfulness Hot = Threat In general - a big painted area in shot or fearfulness shows weakness in every breed (as a working dog) - the rest of the groups are depending on the breeds original purpose good or bad qualities. And yes these tested Airedales have reacted very strongly (fear/panic) to-wards a shot. |
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Post by ed on May 23, 2008 22:17:04 GMT -5
Kim thanks again for the help with the Swedish. i am somewhat surprised at the sensitvity to gun fire. About 6 weeks ago we took a young(15 month Airedale) out to see if he had interst in birds.(quail) After a while he got very interested and flushed several into flight. Without thinking about it , I fired from less than 10 yards away a 12 gauge shot gun. The dog showed no reaction except t run for the fallen bird. He had prior to this NO experience with gun fire. He is out of this pedigree. www.working-dog.eu/wurf-details/1354/vom-roten-MilanThis dog is from Monte Cristo (Gahna v. Erickson x Ilko v Krebsforde) My own dog couldn't care about gun fire ....... Are these Swedish dogs from sport or working lines? |
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Kimf
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Post by Kimf on May 29, 2008 2:02:43 GMT -5
Number 10 indicates how strongly tested (show)dogs have reacted to-wards a shot. |
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Post by ed on May 29, 2008 13:44:22 GMT -5
Got it !
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