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Kodiac
Apr 10, 2009 16:37:39 GMT -5
Post by Summit Forge on Apr 10, 2009 16:37:39 GMT -5
You are doing a good job with Kodiak, Frank, and moving in the right direction...keep up the good work.
Ron
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Kodiac
Apr 10, 2009 17:29:29 GMT -5
Post by maugh on Apr 10, 2009 17:29:29 GMT -5
Frank, I second Ron's encouraging remarks, and he is a guy that went to the top in all venues. It's a long journey, and much of the fun is learning along the way. Maugh
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jackie
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Duke & Patty
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Kodiac
Apr 12, 2009 18:02:53 GMT -5
Post by jackie on Apr 12, 2009 18:02:53 GMT -5
Frank, Under this thread could you keep a running diary of what you and Kodiac are doing in your bird dog training? I think this would be very interesting and if you got to some sticky spots I'm sure there would be plenty of help from some of the experts here. ;D Also, the rest of us would benefit from the information and maybe try and keep our dogs going on a schedule with you. Any dog at any age can start to learn, so others might want to join in as well. With older dogs you just have to get them more interested as they have lost some of their great puppy enthusiasm...although Airedales don't seem to let that drop off too much ;D Just an idea?
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Kodiac
Jun 15, 2009 8:47:33 GMT -5
Post by frankyme on Jun 15, 2009 8:47:33 GMT -5
Forced hold lock jaw. Over the last several weeks I've started Kodi's forced hold training. I've screwed up somewhere along the line. I went through this with one other Airedale and apparently got lucky because we had moved on my this point. I started Kodiak on the grooming table without pressure. I put the wood dowel in his mouth and helped him gently to hold it there. I didn't say anything before putting it there and held his mouth shut gently and gave him positive reinforcement. I did use "give" before allowing him to spit it in my hand. Once he realized what I wanted him to do I started to use an ear pinch for pressure. Everything was going great he seemed to get it quickly. I used a few throwing dummies and flicked and held onto the dowel to make sure he knew he has to hold until told to release. He holds great. I took him off the table and had him on the living room floor. I told him hold and tried to have him "come" a few feet while holding. He spit before being asked so I used the ear pinch and stuck it back in his mouth releasing as soon as the dowel made contact with his teeth. Thinking I took this to fast I got him back on the table and I couldn't get him to open his mouth with pressure. I forced his mouth open and put the dowel in. Once in he didn't spit and I could leave the room, flick it, distract him but he held until told "give". But he will not open his mouth without me prying it open. I've started to have him hold before meals thinking the positive reinforcement of food might get him to open. I have him sit, then put the food down. Put the dowel in his mouth and have him hold for 15 - 30 seconds have him give and then "Kodi" to release him to eat. I figured he might open voluntarily since he knows he has to go through the steps to eat. It been a week and no signs of voluntarily opening his mouth. Suggestions? Thanks, Frank
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Kodiac
Jun 16, 2009 6:52:16 GMT -5
Post by Summit Forge on Jun 16, 2009 6:52:16 GMT -5
Frank, I would go to a "mouth pinch" and then back to the ear. This might take awhile. He obviously does not want to give in or does not know what you want. I am sending you a personal msg. with my phone number, if you want to talk about this.
Ron
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Kodiac
Jun 22, 2009 13:58:08 GMT -5
Post by frankyme on Jun 22, 2009 13:58:08 GMT -5
Had a long talk with Ron late last week and then switched from ear to mouth pinch. By Sunday I barely touched his mouth and it was opening for the dumbell. I even got some tail wags that didn't seem like just nervous energy. I’m happy to report that this morning while in a sit stay waiting for his breakfast he looked at me approaching him with the dumbbell and anticipating the command to hold he held his head up confidently. I stood in front of him and said “hold” and he readily accepted and held without any pinch or even a touch. I’m confident he knows what I’m trying to get him to do. Next step getting him to reach for the dumbbell; I’ll report back later. Thanks Ron!
Frank
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