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Post by lisarose on Aug 30, 2011 10:11:34 GMT -5
Hi I am really new to protection sport training- so forgive any stupidities.. I have a 5 month old Don bitch pup and have been looking around at what job she's suited for- She is in the beginning stages of obedience and I've been watching Michael Ellis' training videos- He gives an explanation of Mondio VS Schutz on www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mosLTuSlFc&playnext=1&list=PL16AB3BDB38D1519FSeems to me that its kind of a pity that Airedales in Europe are mainly German and Eastern Block countries- so mainly used for Schutzhund- The more creative freewheeling Mondio work might be right up an Airedale's alley. Any thoughts? Are there Airedales working in Mondio that you know? |
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Post by ed on Aug 30, 2011 11:00:19 GMT -5
Congratulations with your pup and good luck with training which ever venue you try.
A practical consideration is there are a whole lot more clubs and resources for Schutzhund or as its called now VPG.
Getting with people that know what they are doing is half the battle.
You might check but one major difference is VPG requires tracking while the other sports do not.
Lots of obedience is required in all and the free wheeling aspect is based on a solid control foundation.
Suit vs sleeve is another but then again a good dog can do both.
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Post by lacypsa on Aug 30, 2011 20:52:36 GMT -5
x2 on everything Ed said. Your odds of finding a schutzhund club are much greater. Where do you live? Hopefully you'll find a club with actively competing members. If you are in an area with a few clubs, shop around and stick with the one that you are most comfortable with. If you're just starting out, the discipline required in schutzhund training will benefit you if you decide to move into the suit sports at some point. Have fun.
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Post by lisarose on Aug 31, 2011 15:43:09 GMT -5
Thanks! I moved from a ranch to the San Francisco Bay Area (Culture shock!)- There are both Schutz and Modio trainers- I was musing on Michael Ellis' statement that a really good trainer could take a mediocre dog through Schutz- but a mediocre dog couldn't make it in Mondio- Because there are not set ring patterns- the dog has to be more thinking and flexible- also the jump work takes lots of athletic ability- Seems like Airedales might do well at it.
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Post by lacypsa on Aug 31, 2011 16:55:19 GMT -5
Here is a link to Friends of the Family dog training. The trainers name is Francis Metcalf. He and Ellis are friends and have been training together for years. Francis is accomplished in both French and Mondio Ring and well respected in many other training communities. He has a great reputation as a teacher and is right across the bridge from you in Oakland. www.friendsofthefamily.info/Site/Welcome.htmlGood luck |
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Post by jeffoehlsen on Sept 1, 2011 5:00:05 GMT -5
You will certainly have fun with Francis. That is one of the keys to not losing your mind in dog sports.
He also does circus classes, which look like a lot of fun as well.
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Post by lisarose on Sept 1, 2011 8:25:26 GMT -5
Xena and I've been working with Francis- He is a lovely man- He's really helped with management - The pup is being raised in the house with an older GSD- who is quite dominant- Frances suggested I separate them to let the pup develop her drive- Most of our work is tug flirt pole- want to get her whooped up- She is such a calm dog and has a tendency to plop/stick her downs- It remains to be seen if she has the drive for this work- I'm being patient she's just five months old and is developing slowly- I also took a lesson from Lisa Maze- she's Michael Ellis' partner breeding Mals- I do have to keep my ego out of it- Both Francis and Lisa love Mals- and remain interested in an Airedale but sortof ho hum- My sense is she is much slower to develop- Also I think because Airedales are not specifically bred for instant obedience there is a beat while she DECIDES what is the appropriate response- She's not a blind follower- I guess you either love that about terriorists or not. Keep you posted
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Post by thistlesdale on Sept 1, 2011 10:45:37 GMT -5
how is she on the flirt ? does she really get after it?
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Post by lisarose on Sept 2, 2011 23:41:01 GMT -5
She is really opening up and playing much rougher- GOES for the pole- I think she'll prefer the suit to the sleeve if her behavior with my pant legs is any indication! Her obedience is getting much snappier since I stopped feeding her from the dish- Poor pup has a sign saying "Will Work for Food"- I feed her when she's working and paying attention- When she starts looking at the cat and drifting off - no more food- It's working she is lots more engaged and having fun- and is more fun to work with- I've got to get some pictures up- she is one leggy dog- Not a classical square Airedale- Boyo boy can she counter surf- I'm happy with her- she's changed so much from 4 to 5 months.
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Post by lisarose on Sept 4, 2011 17:16:02 GMT -5
Cool fun- me and the pup just went to Andrew Ramsey's- drop in bite work group- totally causual- Xena did fine- with all the distractions her first thought was go for the flirt tug- get Andrew-
But I hate what's happened to the breed- no one there had ever seen an Airedale...
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Post by hicntry on Sept 5, 2011 21:03:45 GMT -5
Keep in there Lisa. I am curious as to how the females do with this. The guy is coming, out here the 17th to see if untrained dogs will protect. Should be a hoot.
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Post by tybrown on Nov 21, 2011 14:59:00 GMT -5
Ellis is right, that is why there are so many more Schutzhund clubs than Mondio clubs. There is a so much lower barrier to entry in Schutzhund than there is in Mondio. Mondio is a much harder sport and takes much more of a dog to do it.
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