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Post by Helena Ardholm on Dec 11, 2006 17:02:10 GMT -5
Hi guys! Haven't been posting for a while, but here I am now  . Bad news from Sweden! The Swedish Working Dog Association has decided that only their own breeds may enter protection trials. This includes Swedish Protection, IPO and Schutzhund. So in two weeks all other breeds are banned, including Airedales!   The only breeds allowed to participate will be: GSD, Malinois+4 Belgian shepherd breeds, Boxer, Gigant Schnauzer, Hovawart, Collie. These are the "official" working dog breeds in Sweden and their breeding programmes are controlled by the working dog association... Airedales belong to the Terrier Club and are thus not classified as a working breed. THIS SUCKS GUYS!!!!! Especially when you're used to kicking butt at the trials! |
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Post by jsf13 on Dec 11, 2006 18:15:09 GMT -5
I guess you kicked too many butts. |
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Post by Ryan on Dec 11, 2006 23:24:19 GMT -5
What a shame. Breed exclusion is so sad. A working dog is a working dog, regardless of breed.
Do you have any other options for working/trialing in protection sports?
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Post by hicntry on Dec 12, 2006 13:06:21 GMT -5
Good to hear from you again Helena. To bad about the exclusioin of the "other" breeds in Sweden. Seems to be the way things are going everywhere. I do kinow that airedales are terriers, but, I have to wonder why the ATCA, ever went along with not having them listed with the working dogs to start with here. Could it be there were no working people involved even back when this all came about here in the US?
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Post by hicntry on Dec 12, 2006 18:39:58 GMT -5
You missed "puppy mills" Curt. LOL Don't want to forget that one or didn't it fit here?
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Post by Alisa on May 5, 2007 0:17:52 GMT -5
You missed "puppy mills" Curt. LOL Don't want to forget that one or didn't it fit here? You also missed Southern Roc kennel, and though Southern herself will be too shy to admit to anything, but her dogs do have a solid temperment of working dogs, I got one for SAR and the other for Schutzhund - both excell their expectations! I have even done some cross-training, and even if Zander will never be as good as Zeena on bite work, and Zeena will never be as good as Zander on tracking, I will have them both cross-titled at least at Level 1 |
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Post by stew on May 5, 2007 17:08:33 GMT -5
Stew Tardiff is the only US Protection Working Airedale Breeder, with Don putting pups in the sport... Am I missing anyone?? [/center][/quote] To my knowledge, Forbes Gordon is the only breeder in America who has produced a Sch 3 Airedale....and that dog was titled in Germany. By defining "working" dogs as sport dogs, you have overlooked the many dogs who have certified in trials to perform various police service jobs. Baden K9 also claims to have certified several Airedales as psds.[/quote] Nancy Secrist produced Two America Airedales and Maugh titled both. Miles & Turk. Tartan Erco---I've looked at his breeding career over the years. He was used by mostly show kennels. I would quess, I don't know that I'm right, but the breeders found something hiding in there they did not like. I've heard stories related to his mother that would keep me clear of this particular line. If he was a producer, we would have heard much more of this particular dog! |
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Post by melanie on May 7, 2007 14:00:48 GMT -5
Glad that someone mentioned Seneca and Nancy Secrist. She is where I began in my search for working Airedales. I bred my dual CH to Myles and got at least one fantastic pup, 6 mos. later it was clear she had severe HD. It came from Myles side. (As close as Nancy could research.) Nancy Secrist is the person who got me interested in working dogs in 1986. At that time, only Maugh was titling in Sch. so it all made sense. It still did 3 years ago. I've learned a lot since then! Yes, Turk was a Serendipity son. Peter's son. Top Airedale in the show world. Barbara was very happy to see Turk achieve and published it on her website. No one in the working world saw it. Back in 1985-1987, I was just getting my feet wet in working Airedales, though I'd had Airedales all my life. Seneca was THE working kennel in the Midwest, and held pretty true to character. Sherri Glass still has Seneca lines, I think. Mine died out when I lost Idgy. I had Seneca lines for 20 years. Back then, Forbes Gorden was the aficionado for "dual ring" working dogs, and I met him once in Houston. He figures into my beginnings of working Airedales. It's very sad that everything has to be so breed specific. And interesting that many of the sniffer dogs and tracking dogs are rescues from pounds, IOW, mixed breeds. I just set the ears on a new pup from Seneca, and her person is a hiker /mountain climber. She'll get alot of work to do! I told her he should learn how to rappel with her - he's climbing Mt. Ranier next month! This is his second from Nancy, the first was a recommendation from me. That dog hiked amazing places with his family. I'm pleased that he's pleased with his new girl. I want to know more about the Laekenois, at least that's a breed that could compete anywhere!  [glow=red,2,300]Mel[/glow]PS CURT CALL ME! |
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Post by stew on May 7, 2007 20:18:05 GMT -5
What happened to Secrist and that breeding program? If Erco was "faulty" what were the faults? What was wrong with the dog's dam? Did Miles or Turk produce anything of note in the dog sports? We are getting off the point here...The question was asked, "Did I miss anyone?" I was just pointing out the misses I am aware of and as far as that goes I thought Turk was out of Serendipity lines. It is easy to say, via hearsay, that something is wrong with a dog. If you have no personal observational evidence to support that something is wrong with an animal, why gossip about it? Sorry wrong mother. I meant True Grits mom--Bonanza Belle. I never said Erco was faulty--just mentioning whats behind him and some possibilities of why he wasn't used by the working kennels, that's all. Nancy is still breeding --- Myles & Turk I just don't know the stats. |
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Post by melanie on May 11, 2007 17:11:36 GMT -5
Mel Laekenois are supposed to be quite good. The Border Patrol used one in cocaine alley along the Tex Mex border which had a reward put on him by the cartels, dog's name was Rocky. ;)This is the same dog mentioned by Cummin's in his book as an Airedale cross.  I have two buddy's who go to Holland and Belgium regularly on dog acquisition trips. They may be able to help you find one. I have seen only one in Texas and it was a pet, not a worker. If you are interested, PM me. I bet that's the dog they all called an Airedale x Malinois. He is well known! I'm starting to research Laekes. I like 'em because they look similar to ADTs coat-wise..  And if I'm going to spend my money and time standing in a field for 5 hours for a 3 minute turn in the rain, snow, heat, etc, I'd like it to be with a contender! I love Iko and Susu, but they don't have it. Iko could hunt like heck if I was a hunter. I think that's his primary talent. He climbed a tree last night - darndest thing I ever saw! Shimmied up about 3 feet, completely stripped the ivy up to 7 feet. All for "Critters, Iko, get the critters." I wanted to get a picture and post it, but didn't have my camera handy. They trapped a possum last week, but in a hollow tree on the other side of the fence. They are fearsome hunters! But people are not their prey. But I digress. Thanks for the info, and I'll PM you when I get serious about the Laekenois. [glow=red,2,300]Mel[/glow] |
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And if I'm going to spend my money and time standing in a field for 5 hours for a 3 minute turn in the rain, snow, heat, etc, I'd like it to be with a contender!