NY Coyote

[Maverick]

Don - Would this be a 2 or 3 bite coyote for Geronimo or Hunter? ;D ;D ;D





Well, he was only 56 lbs. The guy holding him, 5'9".

[Wolfer]

weather or not the weight is correct Pete .thats a BIG dog

[hicntry]

That is a big dog. Actually, even if it is condsidered unsporting, that yote would merit both Hunter and Geronimo and I wouldn't even feel bad about turning them both in. ;D

[Bob McClellan]

They grow 'em big in NY.

[Maverick]

Apparently the coyotes are on friendly terms with those New England wolfs. I been hearing about a lot of wolf DNA showing up. I also heard that the record for a coyote over there was 72 or 74 lbs. I forget the exact number. But if that coyote was 56 lbs (I assume that skinned it might look "only" 56 lbs), a 70+ coyote has got to be scary big!

[Wolfer]

They Been saying they have been crossing with wolves for years Pete....... only problem is none can show the Paper its always second hand Knowledge type stuff..... as for being bigger Yes but also Look at their Mian food sorce. white tail like anything else they will evolve to take thet're prey down and a bigger coyote will certainly be able to handle a white tail better...... I have seen the aftermath of a wolf pack and a coyote pack it isnt pretty

[southern]

it looks like wolf to me

[Maverick]

Wolf x Coyote:
www.caledonianrecord.com/pages/local_news/story/fef373e9d

www.wildlife.state.nh.us/Wildlife/Wildlife_profiles/profile_eastern_coyote.htm
About halfway down: "DNA sampling of coyote tissue in the Northeast shows no coyote/dog crosses. However, they do have a mixture of wolf DNA."

Eastern Grey Wolf:
canidae.ca/LYCAON.HTM

Red Wolf:
from (longish): www.bobpickett.org/STORYsierraclub.htm
"Coyotes in the southern states have crossbred with the rare Red Wolf for decades. In fact, coyotes, wolves and domestic dogs can all mate and produce fertile offspring. By 1970, seemingly pure Red Wolves were confined to southwestern Louisiana and the south-eastern corner of Texas, and by 1980 they were extinct in the wild. In 1977, a breeding program came up with only 14 judged genetically pure Red Wolves (the rest, totalling 79, were deemed to be either Grey Wolves, Coyotes or Coywolves). By 1988, 80 Red Wolves had been raised and reintroduced to eight locations, including the Smokies. While hailed as a conservation triumph at the time, this rescue has since become the center of a philosophical debate. Scientists analyzed the genetic make-up of Red Wolves that had lived between 1905 - 1930 using skins that had lain fusty in museum vaults. They also analyzed all the candidates for the captive breeding program, from stored blood samples, and the descendants of the 14 judged to be Red Wolves. Their studies showed that none of the candidates rejected as Grey Wolves was in fact a Grey Wolf, being mainly Coyotes or Coywolves. Furthermore the Red Wolves---those that had lived from 1902 - 30 and the modern captive-bred ones---had no genetic characters that could not be found in either Grey Wolves or Coyotes. In fact, they were genetically indistinguishable from Louisiana Coyotes. So, either the Red Wolf had already cross-bred itself out of existence by the late nineteenth century, or it never existed as a true species but was always a hybrid between the Grey Wolf and Coyote."
canidae.ca/MTDNA.HTM
longish: www.wolfsongalaska.org/red_wolf.html

[Wolfer]

"In plain language, Wilson said his work suggests the large, eastern coyotes in Canada are hybrids of the smaller western coyotes and wolves that met and mated decades ago as the coyotes moved toward New England from their earlier western ranges. The animals, he said, may become amplified in size by further crossings between the now-larger eastern coyotes and Canadian wolves."
this quote was directly from the first article.... Ie It could but they arent SURE

this is from the complete writeup that the article was from

"Vermont's Tom Decker said he wants to see more evidence published to
support that view. However, he said, collecting evidence is
difficult since no systematic genetic sampling of the state's
coyotes has been done."



Coyotes are biologically able to reproduce with domestic dogs, but rarely do. Successful crossbreeding usually occurs in the fall, well before the coyote's winter breeding season. Domestic dog/ coyote hybrids, referred to as coydogs, are usually born in the winter. Since domestic dogs that manage to pair with a female coyote do not remain with her to assist in parental care, the young rarely survive. DNA sampling of coyote tissue in the Northeast shows no coyote/dog crosses. However, they do have a mixture of wolf DNA.

Kinda funny how they go so far about dogs crossing but only have the One line On wolves


Do some research on the red wolf it is Phiscally closer to the coyote than it is to its Northern Cousins. I can see the cross with the redwolf as it is closer to the coyote in size and Habits



STill Not a believer Pete But good try.....