Alisa
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Post by Alisa on Dec 8, 2005 13:10:10 GMT -5
Well maybe everyone else is in on the secret, but I AM a newcomer, so for me someone will have to come out of the closet and get a little more specific about NAWATA. Who are the people, what they do, WHERE are they? I have found NAWATA web site long before I found this board, but all e-mails to the “contact us” address bounced back and my attempts to find someone by the name of Fran Peck supposedly in Arizona all failed, short of trying to write a letter to the PO Box listed. So, please enlighten me.
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alex
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Post by alex on Dec 8, 2005 13:27:58 GMT -5
Well maybe everyone else is in on the secret, but I AM a newcomer, so for me someone will have to come out of the closet and get a little more specific about NAWATA. Who are the people, what they do, WHERE are they? I have found NAWATA web site long before I found this board, but all e-mails to the “contact us” address bounced back and my attempts to find someone by the name of Fran Peck supposedly in Arizona all failed, short of trying to write a letter to the PO Box listed. So, please enlighten me. Alisa, I had exactly the same experience. I even went further - signed up for NAWATA group on yahoo in Auguts - seems like nobody is there. From the way Melanie described it earlier on it sounds like a right place to start again, but I think there is more people on this board that know more about NAWATA story/history. We got to have a place to track 'working airedales' in this country.
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Post by melanie on Dec 8, 2005 14:15:24 GMT -5
Well maybe everyone else is in on the secret, but I AM a newcomer, so for me someone will have to come out of the closet and get a little more specific about NAWATA. Who are the people, what they do, WHERE are they? I have found NAWATA web site long before I found this board, but all e-mails to the “contact us” address bounced back and my attempts to find someone by the name of Fran Peck supposedly in Arizona all failed, short of trying to write a letter to the PO Box listed. So, please enlighten me. Alisa, I had exactly the same experience. I even went further - signed up for NAWATA group on yahoo in Auguts - seems like nobody is there. From the way Melanie described it earlier on it sounds like a right place to start again, but I think there is more people on this board that know more about NAWATA story/history. We got to have a place to track 'working airedales' in this country. I've been out of the loop for ten years and just recently got back involved. I think there are folks here that can say more about what conspired with NAWATA in the previous 10 years - I've said all I know, and gotten no replies. Except Kyle. Thanks, Kyle. I still believe it's the place to start over, but we have too much difference in opinions here to make it workable, or so it seems to me. The yahoo site is barely used, use the tripod site, but you'll stilll find it hasn't been updated since 2003. Fran NEVER answers anything. She is the owner of the tripod site. We are trying to get someone to taek it over. That would sure be a start in the right direction. Frankly, those of us who have been trying to revitalize it have taken some flack and don't know whats going on any more than any of you. 2 potential workers just shut down as of last night because of the lack of correspondance with NAWATA. [glow=red,2,300]Mel[/glow]
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alex
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Post by alex on Dec 8, 2005 14:37:09 GMT -5
[quote author=melanie board=general thread=1134012783 post=1134069324 I still believe it's the place to start over, but we have too much difference in opinions here to make it workable, or so it seems to me. [glow=red,2,300]Mel[/glow][/quote] Its hard to believe that people on this board would have 'too much difference'... What are the differences? Dont we all agree that Airedale was 'designed' to be a working dog?
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Post by melanie on Dec 8, 2005 15:13:28 GMT -5
[quote author=alex board=general thread=1134012783 post=1134070629Its hard to believe that people on this board would have 'too much difference'... What are the differences? Dont we all agree that Airedale was 'designed' to be a working dog?[/quote] I'm sure we all can agree on that. I base my statement on the past several threads about NAWATA and registries. My point, I guess, Alex, is that no one is responding to Curt's or my posts about NAWATA, so the interest just isn't there. Some even roll their eyes at it's mention! ;D (Jus' teasin, you know who!) I wish someone would prove me wrong... I think we can pull together as a group and put somethign together. I'm starting to read posts that are less argumnetative and more open to suggestion. BUt we first off need a leader. Someone with the desire, experience, and skills to lead a group of people in a positive direction. The leader isn't the boss, he's the arbitrator for the membership. Yes? No? PS. My spellcheck STILL doesn't work. [glow=red,2,300]Mel[/glow]
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Post by Wolfer on Dec 8, 2005 15:45:46 GMT -5
I got the hint Mel Ill start diggin even If i have to Make you a picture tutorial. Im On it.LOL Ya want some more hints On NAWATA Get away from tripod..... there are many Many GOOD Baord hosts Out there that cost less than 10 bucks a month when I was Playing with the Puppy Kissers On AOL a few mentioned NAWATA and some were even appauled because tripod was running Puppy selling adds on the site. WHen In Doubt go with the KISS method and Make a Nice CLean Site.
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Dec 8, 2005 16:07:27 GMT -5
I think that supporting NAWATA is an excellent idea - and I'm all for it.
it looks like it's time to resurect it from the ashes =)
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Post by hicntry on Dec 8, 2005 16:51:54 GMT -5
Alisa, I had exactly the same experience. I even went further - signed up for NAWATA group on yahoo in Auguts - seems like nobody is there. From the way Melanie described it earlier on it sounds like a right place to start again, but I think there is more people on this board that know more about NAWATA story/history. We got to have a place to track 'working airedales' in this country. I've been out of the loop for ten years and just recently got back involved. I think there are folks here that can say more about what conspired with NAWATA in the previous 10 years - I've said all I know, and gotten no replies. Except Kyle. Thanks, Kyle. I still believe it's the place to start over, but we have too much difference in opinions here to make it workable, or so it seems to me. The yahoo site is barely used, use the tripod site, but you'll stilll find it hasn't been updated since 2003. Fran NEVER answers anything. She is the owner of the tripod site. We are trying to get someone to taek it over. That would sure be a start in the right direction. Frankly, those of us who have been trying to revitalize it have taken some flack and don't know whats going on any more than any of you. 2 potential workers just shut down as of last night because of the lack of correspondance with NAWATA. [glow=red,2,300]Mel[/glow]Mel, it has been my experience that whenever a large number of people are involve, there is going to be some friction. Computers express no feeling and people are to quick to get their feelings hurt. We are all different. myself, I tend to be a little blunt and tactless. I don't mean anything to sound abrasive, it just does. Everyone has a way of expressing themselves, some better than others. Don't be to quick to take offense. The world is full of doers and talkers. The talkers will always criticize what the doers are doing. If you don't believe me, join a club....any club. They all consist of a few doers and a lot of talkers that criticize. Find out what you can that we need to know about NAWATA and report back. I have been on a couple of the Yahoo boards and was very poorly received on Karen's for one(by Karen,in a polite way). Simply for asking the people why they would go to a rescue and buy a dog, come and list all it's faults, like very dog aggressive(to the point she was told to leave the premises by a judge at an obedience deal). Then turn around and talk about what a long road it is going to be but he "will" do obedience. A few found the question offensive, many agreed with me. The moderators of those boards neither allow nor tolerate anything discussion that anyone may find offensive. Fran is less than tolerant also when it comes to disagreement. To get a registry working, there is going to be disagreement.
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Post by melanie on Dec 8, 2005 20:41:38 GMT -5
[quote author=melanie board=general thread=1134012783 post=1134072808 I think we can pull together as a group and put somethign together. I'm starting to read posts that are less argumnetative and more open to suggestion. BUt we first off need a leader. Someone with the desire, experience, and skills to lead a group of people in a positive direction. The leader isn't the boss, he's the arbitrator for the membership. Yes? No? [glow=red,2,300]Mel[/glow][/quote] I didn't mean to sound hurt or offended, I'm not, really! We don't read everything the writer feels, that's for sure! And I hope we can all be mature enough to agree and disagree for the benefits of our working AIredales, and not take issue with various personalities! This is about our dogs, not our egos. Leave the egos for the show crowd. (Like any one is going to check their ego at the door! LOL!!) We need an ad hoc commitee to start reorganization. So let's talk about how to get there. If we take a step here and a step there, we may just might end up with what we are all looking for. Who knows how to put together a good website? We can certainly supply the information if someone would put together a professional looking website. Lets talk about how to get there. Who's good at a data base? That's one of the biggest needs. A website and committee are useless wihtout a list of members, individual dogs, the pedigrees and titles, ie: the registry we want so badly. ANd what fun is a club without pictures, articles, events, either in a snail mail newsletter or e-mail newsletter/website. IMO, the foundation is already there, it just needs to be updated and promoted to appeal to a more diverse crowd. Even just a show of hands to see if there are people actually interested (in a functioning club with a well-kept website). If we build it, they will come... [glow=red,2,300]Mel[/glow]
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Post by Wolfer on Dec 8, 2005 23:06:27 GMT -5
I vote for MEl And Curt as her second..... Curt Just has that way with People. ( when he dont get bit by the crow) Besides he is so adorable in that little blue stocking cap....
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Post by hicntry on Dec 9, 2005 11:09:38 GMT -5
Ya know, I thought that was a green hat but I just wan't going to drive the Model A over there to find out.
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Post by randym on Dec 9, 2005 11:11:15 GMT -5
I think that supporting NAWATA is an excellent idea - and I'm all for it.
it looks like it's time to resurrect it from the ashes =) As an outsider looking in I couldn't agree more. I was one of the founding members of NAWATA, and I'm beginning to understand what Joe Gibbs (Redskins Coach) felt like. The basis for starting the club originally was to promote the Airedale as a working dog. Somehow they have gotten away from the clubs stated purpose. I have a few suggestions for those of you that would like to revive NAWATA. Since it looks like the club is on life support and there are no current officers I would contact the most recent officers of record. I saw on the app for the club that Melanie Findlay of Benton Harbor MI. was the last know treasurer. Is this the same Melanie that posts on this board? If so she should know who the most recent officers were. Here's my list: 1) Find out whose in charge. 2) Call for an emergency election of NAWATA officers. 3) Join the club. 4) Ask for a report from the treasurer. Location of the account, balance etc. 5) Be willing to accept nomination for an office. 6) If all else fails ask whom ever has the club records and bank account to release all club info to someone that this board designates and start from there. There is a lot more to running a club than having a breed registry. Having a newsletter is critical. Having officers that communicate with the membership is a must. If having a registry that is recognized by the FCI is desired then rejoining the AWDF is a must. This means having an annual event. I believe that there is enough interest on this board alone to revive NAWATA, but it will take a concerted effort to make it happen. Just remember that in the past their have been a lot of good people in the club that will come back. Restructuring of the club will take time, be patient. Good luck and I hope you are successful. Randy McKnight
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Post by ed on Dec 9, 2005 13:51:59 GMT -5
Just thought looking at a working club established in answer to many of the issues expressed here might give an ouutline of what can be done. Loss of function was what was happening to the Giant(Riesen)Schnauzer in the US, and the AKC club had basically become a show brag forum with a sop or two thrown to obedience. The WSF was formed in 1991 with 5 members and has been financially and in all other matters viable for 15 years. All it takes is WORK! www.workingriesenschnauzer.com/
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Post by maugh on Dec 9, 2005 15:34:09 GMT -5
Yes Ed, It takes work and not rabble rousing. NAWATA has a set of bylaws. Melanie had indicated that she not longer wanted to be treasurer. Marcia Govednik agreed to take this responsibility and Melanie is to turn over the funds to Marcia. As far as I know, Melanie agreed to do this but has notyet actually done so. I am taking responsibility to run down Fran and get the materials from her that are needed for the web site. The bylaws make it clear that a major commitment of NAWATA is to support AWDF. As such, NAWATA has also made it clear in the bylaws that the FCI standard is to be upheld. The bylaws also provide that a nominating committee should be formed to get a viable slate of officers. Ed, would you head up the nominating committee please? You can call me if we need to talk. I believe the nominating committee has 3 people and nominations are accepted as write-ins. Once we have a slate of officer candidates, we need to hold an election which we can do my mail ballot or perhaps an electronic means. In order to maintain the AWDF goals, NAWATA must continue to be performance oriented and must plan and hold a national event.
Maugh
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Post by melanie on Dec 9, 2005 15:37:54 GMT -5
I think that supporting NAWATA is an excellent idea - and I'm all for it.
it looks like it's time to resurrect it from the ashes =) As an outsider looking in I couldn't agree more. I was one of the founding members of NAWATA, and I'm beginning to understand what Joe Gibbs (Redskins Coach) felt like. The basis for starting the club originally was to promote the Airedale as a working dog. Somehow they have gotten away from the clubs stated purpose. I have a few suggestions for those of you that would like to revive NAWATA. Since it looks like the club is on life support and there are no current officers I would contact the most recent officers of record. I saw on the app for the club that Melanie Findlay of Benton Harbor MI. was the last know treasurer. Is this the same Melanie that posts on this board? If so she should know who the most recent officers were. Here's my list: 1) Find out whose in charge. 2) Call for an emergency election of NAWATA officers. 3) Join the club. 4) Ask for a report from the treasurer. Location of the account, balance etc. 5) Be willing to accept nomination for an office. 6) If all else fails ask whom ever has the club records and bank account to release all club info to someone that this board designates and start from there. There is a lot more to running a club than having a breed registry. Having a newsletter is critical. Having officers that communicate with the membership is a must. If having a registry that is recognized by the FCI is desired then rejoining the AWDF is a must. This means having an annual event. I believe that there is enough interest on this board alone to revive NAWATA, but it will take a concerted effort to make it happen. Just remember that in the past their have been a lot of good people in the club that will come back. Restructuring of the club will take time, be patient. Good luck and I hope you are successful. Randy McKnight Yep, that Melanie is me, and I just retired the treasurer's position. There ARE NO officers. No one is in charge. That's why I call for a leader for arbitration and skill for delegating. Marcia Govednik has now agreed (I think) to accept handling the treasury. The transition has not been made yet. There is a decent amount in the treasury, it is held by me at my credit union FRFCU, under the name NAWATA. It's in St. Joseph, Michigan. We are a guest club with AWDF, and we need to keep that up at the very least, for the Schutzhund people. Let's get a head count count there? As I'm not knowledgeable about hunting, I don't know what is needed there, so I pass that off to one who knows what's needed. How about a count here? Randy has some great suggestions! Who will help initiate them? I'm willing to start, but ONLY if I have a good support system, and that means bodies. I'd like to be a sheep, not a shepherd. I've gotten burned out on promoting NAWATA for 3 years with no results, and honsetly? I was quite pissed when I found out all the officers up and quit, leaving me with the whole thing. ANd the lack of communication has been terrible. I'll act as leader right now, by asking a call of names who might be interested in following through with this? Once we have bodies, then we can figure who is good at what, then they can do it. I don't have to be the leader nor do I really want to lead. But I will if there is adequate support for job delegation. There is SO much knowledge on this BB. It's a shame that we don't put it to use to get what we want, a legitimate working registry that serves all our needs. Thanks Randy. Funny, I don't know you from NAWATA at its beginning. But it's a big world. I also was involved in the beginnings of NAWATA, so I go back that far with it. I just had to drop out due to *life* for 10 years. BUT! It sounds liek we are garnering some interest, and let's get some dialog going on appointing/electing some ad hoc officers. Reviving NAWATA will be like training a young dog. Patience, patience patience. 1 step forward, 2 steps back, leaps and bounds, baby steps. Basically I think we're talking about an entire new organization, and we could even possibly discuss a new name and logo. Karen Clouston designed the current logo, and we might have to get her permision to use it if we want to revamp the club. Or someone can design a new one. A logo contest? Sounds like we might be moving ahead! While I won't act as an officer or committee chair, I will be glad to be a grunt. Just not the only one! We may have personality differences and EVERY club in the world has conflict within it's membership, but if we keep in mind the purpose of it is the love of our 'dales, we can do this. This isn't rocket science. We just need workers. And more than 5. It has to be a full participation organization during the revamp. And while all clubs have their talkers and their doers, I'd expect a proper club would have all members pulling their share. When the duties are spread out, there seems to be less work for everyone. My thoughts. [glow=red,2,300]Mel[/glow]PS - My spellcheck doesn't work again!
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