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Post by thistlesdale on Nov 9, 2009 13:32:50 GMT -5
nope after 6 generations, the black would be gone too this dog looks more purebred than my own AKC eligible airedale anybody who thinks it's a lab mix is dumb as a fencepost you don't scare me, big guy I'll throw down some tai chi sword form on your hillbilly azz
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Post by Undercover Cowboy on Nov 9, 2009 13:49:51 GMT -5
Your right.. he looks more like an Airedale than lots of Airedales I've seen.. Except he's black.... Or like a Welsh Terrier they look more like Airedales then some Airedales I've seen.. Except there smaller.. Kinda of like a Lakeland.. they look like Airedales.. Except there smaller....hey and some are black..there you go Oh and go ahead and bring some of that tai chi stuff down here... Its been a long time since I've kicked a pony tailed hippies ass.. ;D ;D Fence post huh... sheesh.. And hillbilly....come on..
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Post by southern on Nov 9, 2009 14:24:11 GMT -5
As far as all goes, I do not intend to breed blacks again, at this time. I will always have a pair around, but no plans for breeding. I will leave it all up to the other 14. Remember in my story, I told Trevor Evans that my blacks would out last me..............
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Post by thistlesdale on Nov 9, 2009 14:45:28 GMT -5
I'll have you know I paid $19.99 for that sword www.smkw.com/webapp/eCommerce/product.jsp?Mode=SkuSearch&SearchText=DBJS113A&Search.x=14&Search.y=13&SKU=DBJS113Abought the last one they had in stock it's a GENUINE chinese import Welsh Terrier, Lakeland [ ] precisely ALL the terrier breeds descended from the same parent stock (isolated population) airedale is the product of crossing/linebreeding welsh/lakeland/etc X otterhound the fact that a given airedale bloodline consistently produces black today should come as no great surprise to anyone as Don said on the previous page, all airedale pups are black for the last 110 or so generations, nearly every airedale offspring that didn't develop "standard" tan markings was culled from the genepool hence the fact that over time, solid black airedales have become "rare"
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Post by southern on Nov 9, 2009 14:56:04 GMT -5
could't have said it better.
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Post by thistlesdale on Nov 9, 2009 16:42:33 GMT -5
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Post by jesse on Nov 9, 2009 20:20:49 GMT -5
I dint really want to get into this as i really dont care as long as my dogs will work. I have both blacks and Blk & Tans. However Southern is not the only one to have had a solid black pup. If fact i looked her up AFTER i talk to a 90 something guy who used to bread Airedales and was telling a story of how he used to cull/kill the solid blacks. Now remember i said before i contacted southern and got a black from her. This guy was in southern MO and i dont think Southern has ever been down (up) this way. And yes they had some Mooreland lines in them from what i recall. Plain and simple if the blacks could compete at the same level as blk and tans in Schutzhund thats all i would have but as of yet they dont. Will they ever who knows but they are for all intens and purpose the same dame dog.
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Post by taylor on Nov 9, 2009 21:22:25 GMT -5
Did they cull them at birth or after sometime because they are all pretty dark when there little. If I were going to try and create a black Airedale I would use a Kerry blue or a black standard or giant schnauzer. Taylor Johnson
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Post by southern on Nov 9, 2009 21:26:58 GMT -5
I would use a Kerry blue or a black standard or giant schnauzer.
Sorry Taylor, it won't work. Blacks come from inside the gene pool.
Jesse, as ill as you are, I am so glad and sorry you had to make your statement. Glad that you finally felt you had to say something. Sorry, that there are those on the board who will never believe in what we got.
Take care of you and your family
S.
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Post by jesse on Nov 9, 2009 21:35:15 GMT -5
Taylor, I dont remember for sure as its been 6 or 7 years ago. But i believe he said he waited for them to show there hunting strengths. So i would surmise that he waited until they would show the "true" color. However i cant be sure. I do remember his great regret at doing it though. Jesse
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Post by hicntry on Nov 9, 2009 23:16:08 GMT -5
I hate to point out the obvious folks but, if you should be able to tell a black even as a new born because I seriously doubt you would find the tan eyebrow even on a pup.
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Post by mb on Nov 10, 2009 10:38:17 GMT -5
I'm in C.V.'S camp, if they are ALL airedale, then fine. But if it's a crossbreed designed to fleece the airedale fancier, then it's pure bullshit. Lets just do the D.N.A., nuff said...
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Post by southern on Nov 10, 2009 11:06:11 GMT -5
All Bullshit aside, the Dna of today, was not the dna of yesterday, proving partents of Tina. Why can't you read and learn.? I guess there are those who just will never learn though. The only fleecing here, are the closed minds.
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Post by oksaradt on Nov 10, 2009 12:40:11 GMT -5
I am not taking sides on this. I have complete faith that Southern's (and their descendants) blacks came from ADT stock. As a working dog handler, I really don't care what the dog looks like if it is healthy, moves well over the terrain I deal with, and has all the right drives. From that aspect, for me an all black dog would get overheated in the sun quicker than an all red. Am I going to pursue an all red? No, that would limit my odds in finding a dog with all the right temperments and drives even more. If there were thousands of all reds out there, I'd certainly look at them. From a genetics aspect, I have to wonder about what else is reinforced with the recessive black gene. There are no black wolves in the wild...or there weren't until they mixed with domesticated dogs. It's easy to find a black wolf in a calendar now. That creature was the result of the wild wolf mixing with domestic. From the russian study demonstrating that black foxes chosen only for their "tame traits", other colors and changes in ears began to develop along with the "tameness". The point of this is that instead of arguing if these black airedales are airedales, it should be more important to try to determine if there are other distinct qualities to this genetic mutation. And please, genetic mutation is not a slam, it is how all things change. It's how all the dog breeds were created by man over the past couple of centuries....mutations were reinforced by breeding selection. So, what is unique about these Black Airedales other than there is no tan?
Respectfully,
Jim Delbridge
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Post by southern on Nov 10, 2009 12:49:01 GMT -5
exactly Jim, we never said the blacks were better, showyer, than anyone elses dogs, we just said they were black, and that they are.
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