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Post by Undercover Cowboy on Nov 11, 2009 7:51:22 GMT -5
Jesse,
What do you do with your dogs and like oksaradt said are there any unique traits with the blacks?
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Post by southern on Nov 11, 2009 9:56:42 GMT -5
I will be posting the DNA report today in my column. I wish to stress very hard, that even with the report, the story is not done. I also wish to express, I do not care for any comments in the "Story of the Black Airedale". All comments, concerns and questions will be answered on this posting thread.
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Post by Undercover Cowboy on Nov 11, 2009 10:23:19 GMT -5
Wow your column.. and DNA report today.... can I hear a drum roll please...
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Post by southern on Nov 11, 2009 10:37:56 GMT -5
Gossip and smart ass remarks on the web is generally the act of folk trying to be something they are not, and if someone else is hurt, all the better.
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Post by Undercover Cowboy on Nov 11, 2009 11:51:29 GMT -5
Gossip and smart ass remarks on the web is generally the act of folk trying to be something they are not, and if someone else is hurt, all the better. What gossip? And trying to be what? See Southern you make allegations but what I do is just ask questions and when I do you get all ruffled up... I wonder why?
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Post by twopearsons on Nov 11, 2009 11:52:47 GMT -5
O.K. Cowboy you think you are so smart try doing what Southern is doing and keep your wise cracks for somebody who cares what you think, or are you a cyber bully thinking you can write what you want with out the facts.
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Post by southern on Nov 11, 2009 12:03:06 GMT -5
See Southern you make allegations but what I do is just ask questions and when I do you get all ruffled up... I wonder why?
I do not post to the dead, why does this dead person think everything is for him?
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Post by Undercover Cowboy on Nov 11, 2009 12:04:05 GMT -5
Just who are you?
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Post by thistlesdale on Nov 11, 2009 12:20:14 GMT -5
There are no black wolves in the wild...or there weren't until they mixed with domesticated dogs. It's easy to find a black wolf in a calendar now. That creature was the result of the wild wolf mixing with domestic. consensus is the new opium of the masses, Jim From a genetics aspect, I have to wonder about what else is reinforced with the recessive black gene. diversity genetically speaking, 100+ years of "purebred/pedigree showdog" breeding & the "breed purity" myth are beginning to reach critical mass assortative mating within an isolated population -inevitably- reduces vigor the entire AKC/KC/FCI showdale genepool = 1 assortative bloodline the last vestiges of the old DDR stock = 1 bloodline (for today) Don's High Country kennels = 1 bloodline southern's solid blacks & reds = 1 bloodline I don't know anything about 'em, but I suspect Al kranbhul's California kennels = 1 bloodline there may or may not be a couple others out there? if there are, they really ought to stand up & be recognized, IMO: www.worldatr.com/page/397431648
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Post by twopearsons on Nov 11, 2009 12:30:25 GMT -5
I,m a Airedale breeder, who knows more then you on the breed and love the dogs and yes alot of my dogs belong to people who hunt and were bought to hunt. My black are not only great for hunting they are great in protection but my B&T are good in those lines too. I don't breed for show, and I think at my age I know more about breeding then a young kid, who only wants to talk trash on the color of a Airedale. I have people come and praise my dog for size and temperment.
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Post by jespinoza on Nov 11, 2009 12:33:56 GMT -5
This thread is still pretty interesting and I really enjoy reading the posts that actually have some common sense and realistic theory. Thank you to the people that are actually sharing knowledge. " Hang in there Southern".
John
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Post by thistlesdale on Nov 11, 2009 12:34:40 GMT -5
me again, Big Guy the most unfortunate aspect of all this, IMO, is that Southern's blacks/reds NEED a serious hunter like you to steward them into the future if I had my way, you'd be X'ing one of Southern's solids by -all- your best dogs, & linebreeding the best of their progeny DNA couldn't possibly be more irrelevant to me
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Post by Undercover Cowboy on Nov 11, 2009 12:39:26 GMT -5
What do they hunt and where? .. And who's the young kid? If your talking about me thanks..and you probably do know more about breeding then I do.. that's not the point.. I guess my point is I ask questions most of them pretty simple and then just ask for the proof that they say they have.. that's all... the article raised some valid points and I believe it would be in everyone's interest just to have those questions answered.. it's not a big deal...
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Post by Undercover Cowboy on Nov 11, 2009 12:49:47 GMT -5
me again, Big Guy the most unfortunate aspect of all this, IMO, is that Southern's blacks/reds NEED a serious hunter like you to steward them into the future if I had my way, you'd be X'ing one of Southern's solids by -all- your best dogs, & linebreeding the best of their progeny DNA couldn't possibly be more irrelevant to me You know what if I could find an Airedale that had the nose that we need in this desert and the desire to follow it like my hounds it would be a no brainer... and then again they would have to have a voice and give it while cold trailing.. I haven't seen it yet.. I have two dogs now that are 1/4 Airedales and one of them is really starting to show alot of promise. And is probably one of my favorite dogs..and come to think of it she is one of my favorites because she has a personality like an Airedale..
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Post by thistlesdale on Nov 11, 2009 13:42:46 GMT -5
if I could find an Airedale that had the nose that we need in this desert and the desire to follow it like my hounds it would be a no brainer... local adaptation is a product of selective breeding, Big Guy For example, I raise an heirloom variety of tomato known as "principe borghese." It's a super low sugar/high acid variety that dries right on the vine. These are the really expensive "sun dried" tomatoes you'll find at the supermarket. I started out with pure italian seed, & it didn't do too good up here in the wild northland. I had to crossbreed it by a *locally adapted* early/coldhardy strain. It took a few seasons of selecting seed from the earliest, cold hardiest, best drying individuals, & I had to go back on the parentstock; but now that I've managed to coax a *locally adapted* strain from that parentstock, my sun dried tomatoes are awesome! Nevertheless, if I sent you some seed from my northland garden, you'd have to start all over again & selectively breed your own *locally adapted* (heat/drought tolerant) strain from the parentstock I sent you. I have two dogs now that are 1/4 Airedales and one of them is really starting to show alot of promise. And is probably one of my favorite dogs..and come to think of it she is one of my favorites because she has a personality like an Airedale.. See there? You're already one step ahead of the game. It's *PERFECT* If you put one of Southern's solids behind a 1/4 dalehound, the offspring would be 5/8 huntdale. If you took your best hunters back to the parentstock, the offspring would be over 6/8 huntdale. The hunt on the parentstock isn't really all that important, just like lack of cold hardiness on my purebred principe borghese seedstock didn't really matter. It's the hunt on the offspring you select for backbreeding that matters, just like selecting seed from the most drought/heat tolerant plants. You could have yourself a rock solid *locally adapted* bloodline within just a couple generations.
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