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Post by Judy Howell on Apr 1, 2006 22:35:09 GMT -5
Hey...."Cowboyvon"
I read your message about inheriting the Caring Heart Kennel and that really got my attention. My old girl Amber was from there, I never bred her (after finding out that the owner at the time had lost his AKC privileges because of improper record keeping, false registrations or some such thing) but she was a great dog and I often wondered what happened to those people that had that kennel. Any information....what happened, how you inherited the kennel, etc. I would love to hear about.
Judy
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Post by Undercover Cowboy on Apr 2, 2006 12:41:02 GMT -5
I was begining to wonder if anyone had heard of them..
The guys name that started the kennel was Dr. Dale Barber.. I bought a couple pups from him in the early 80's.. I had an Airedale around since I was just a kid and I got to know him pretty good and he did have some really nice dogs. I never was sure why they couldn't or wouldn't register with the akc, he said it was due to one of there stud dogs coming from S. Africa... but it could of been somthing else. Anway he had a heart attack and said he couldn't take care of the dogs anymore not that he ever did much himself because he had boys that were from Mexico and a guy named Jorge that did all the work, he called me and told me that he had a deal for the kennel to be sold that had fallen through and asked if I would take the dogs if not he was going to have to put them down. So my wife and I took over.
It was an adventure to say the least. We started raising and selling pups mainly so we could buy dogfood. We boarded dogs groomed them and trained for people... and I hunted them or tried ;D as time went by I got tired of dealing with all the BS from the people buying pups or calling interested in pups.... I started placing the older females in good homes. I kept some and hunted them but didn't raise anymore pups.
Eventually the ones that were kept got old and had to be put down or died... the last one was Vulcan a stud dog that was from Germany.. he was as good a dog as I ever had and traveled all over the country with me. After he died I never got another Airedale... just haven't been able to bring myself to do it.. Think I'll wait untill I'm old enough to make sure the next one out lives me.
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Post by southern on Apr 2, 2006 12:51:09 GMT -5
as time went by I got tired of dealing with all the BS from the people buying pups or calling interested in pups....
This is what all good breeders go through. I would like to talk to you, I may have a female to fit into your hunting pack. I do not want this girl going anywhere but a hunting home. Her Grand father is Ch. JR Gator
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Post by melanie on Apr 2, 2006 22:35:45 GMT -5
as time went by I got tired of dealing with all the BS from the people buying pups or calling interested in pups.... This is what all good breeders go through. I would like to talk to you, I may have a female to fit into your hunting pack. I do not want this girl going anywhere but a hunting home. Her Grand father is Ch. JR Gator Damn, Southern, I've had 3 hits from my newspaper ads, all 3 said they'd call back, none have, which is too bad, because they all want 100lb Airedales and I could refer them all to you and Don. I AM keeping their phone #s and names (caller ID) they are all from South Bend. If I can't sell my standard size pups to them, I'd sure like to offer them the opportunity to give you larger Airedale breeders a call. But then, if they aren't calling me back, i think they are not really that interested. Many of my friends are telling me to lower my price of $800. Any feedback on that? I think Maugh was right, the price rules out the no-goods. But I have to move these pups. My gut is saying DON'T lower the price, but they are really costing me to keep them! Anybody else besides Southern who wants to give me feedback, please do! I still have the Slick, Gene, and I think he's the best working potential I have. Independent, smart, I think he'd excel at hunting. He and I just don't seem to bond. He needs someone to bond with. (Hint Hint) I also think he's the best looking pup of the bunch, and will be the biggest. Got huge paws, but probably won't go too far past the standard. FYI. ;D  [glow=red,2,300]Mel[/glow] |
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Post by southern on Apr 2, 2006 22:45:03 GMT -5
Mel, your price is not that high, crap, I sold pups at a grand and more. Try the areas I have suggested to you. Email your ad to me, so I can look at it. I still have a female out of Sunday and Dollar and there was an ad in the paper here Sunday, 150.00 less that what I have advertised. I am not worried, the right buyer will come along
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Post by hicntry on Apr 3, 2006 0:25:31 GMT -5
Mel, I can't tell you how many people I have seen that just want to have one litter and it never fails. They end up with half the litter left and still have problems even when asking $350.00. Most of the people I know had the litter so their inlaws could have pups....or so they say. Believe me, I have been stuck with my share over the years. Good luck. Keep them, teach them to run a track and take them to the Airedale Field Nationals and make a name for yourself. It gets easier after oh, about 10 to 15 years.
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Post by hicntry on Apr 3, 2006 0:31:08 GMT -5
Or, join the ATCA and pay to get on their preferred breeders list. ;D You got any conformation champions there? Make up a horrendous breeders contract....it seems to make some people more comfortable even though they are unenforceable. Never lower your price, always raise it. Eventually it will get high enough that someone will want them.
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Post by melanie on Apr 3, 2006 0:39:27 GMT -5
. Never lower your price, always raise it. Eventually it will get high enough that someone will want them. Hmmmm, just like the grooming business around here! [glow=red,2,300]M[/glow] |
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Post by melanie on Apr 3, 2006 1:11:34 GMT -5
Mel, I can't tell you how many people I have seen that just want to have one litter and it never fails. They end up with half the litter left and still have problems even when asking $350.00. Most of the people I know had the litter so their inlaws could have pups....or so they say. Believe me, I have been stuck with my share over the years. Good luck. Keep them, teach them to run a track and take them to the Airedale Field Nationals and make a name for yourself. It gets easier after oh, about 10 to 15 years. Well, I didn't want this litter, but God bless 'em, I got 'em! Had a litter of 13 once and was stuck with half for a long time, returns, replacements, a huge guy tall and leggy ond over 100lbs, and the most handsome regal pal I had named General, whose job was watch dog at the marina, since he didn't place. Looked like a junkyard Airedale, but it suited him.  He did find a home eventually, but what a cool Airedale he was. I was graced to be his bud. But I digress. I have successfully crate trained all 4. They run with the big dogs every day and when I work, they go in their pens, rain or shine... or snow. I've really bonded with Booger, he's big and chunky and sweet, he really needs some people. Though he's no Schutzhund prospect, perhaps SAR and tracking would be his thing. Gene, OTOH, appears to me to be a hunter, Independent, not so much pack drive, and very active and assertive. Huge paws, FWIW. The last one to come in, and jumps all over his dad, ignores me. Iko, BTW, is amazing as a father. He has from the start been tolerant of these babies, and at 16 weeks he still is. His kids are getting pretty big... It's neat to see. He is very proud of his produce... Izzy, (formerly Shirley) I've been watching and she is a confident, independent gal, but with alot of pack drive. She and I have also bonded. She is very interesting. I'm not sure what her forte will be. Mark, I've finally got that pedigree and will send it. Ginger and I haven't seemed to bond much, but I admit I have favorites. Ginger is almost a slick, she's hard to tell from Gene other than size. She might be a Schutzhund prospect, and can be a spitfire. These pups need attention no matter if they are sold or not, so I will start training them. It's a shame to waste the foundation of their lives because I havent' sold them. They really are great pups. A litter to be proud of. So I'm looking forward to warmer weather, leash breaking, basic obedience, tracking, swimming. They will all go to the training field as it is at a gun range. Of course, Iko comes first, as we are going for the elusive BH in August... Just please let us finally have Spring  [glow=red,2,300]M[/glow] |
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Post by Alisa on Apr 3, 2006 18:07:09 GMT -5
These pups need attention no matter if they are sold or not, so I will start training them. It's a shame to waste the foundation of their lives because I havent' sold them. They really are great pups. [glow=red,2,300]M[/glow]It is easier to train 1 puppy than 4, BUT it is easier to train 4 simultaniously, than each separately. They get to watch other pups mistakes and achievements and get very competitive: "You dummy! Mom, let me show him how it's done!" |
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Post by hicntry on Apr 3, 2006 18:11:13 GMT -5
Do they really react like that Alisa??? I have never been able to do anything with them unless I took one completely off by itself.....which is a hassle. How do you get that reaction?
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Post by Alisa on Apr 3, 2006 18:21:28 GMT -5
I used handlers for ea puppy, but you can tie them to a mark. (Condition them to accept being tied down first) Position them in a way that they can see the action, but unable to touch you or each other. (this will take some conditioning too) Eventually they start watching. You repeat same exercise w/ea dog and by the end of the line someone will figure out what gets treated today and perform w/out prompting.
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Post by melanie on Apr 4, 2006 14:36:45 GMT -5
I used handlers for ea puppy, but you can tie them to a mark. (Condition them to accept being tied down first) ea dog and by the end of the line someone will figure out what gets treated today and perform w/out prompting. Please define Tied down? Anchored in a down stay? Tied to a post? I believe dogs learn from watching. the pups so far have learned most from their mother, though, not each other. However, they all quit messing their crates at the same time. My dogs have always learned alot when observing their sib dogs. But nothing really is there until you work with each individually. [glow=red,2,300]Mel[/glow] |
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Post by melanie on Apr 4, 2006 14:45:42 GMT -5
I sooo DITTO this! Quality does not go away after a few weeks. I see many ads in my local paper where high priced pups drop as they age - stupid breeders! Some people just want an older pup I have found - and some just need to realize they need to go to the ad that has been consistent! Hang in there - you will place those pups, I just know it. Thanks for all your feedback. I just talked to my breeder and she says the same thing. Also, She says people arer going to start looking for pups, since the DKC show at Cobo Hall in Detroit, she says it always picks up like crazy around now. Besides, Really, the price should go higher the longer you have them, if you are like me and going to train them rather than let them sit in a pen. Basic training, and they'll all go tracking! My club will freak. Anyway, training ain't cheap, so lowering the price is like saying you knew all along your goods weren't good enough. Glued Ginger and Izzy's ears today. Booger's look fine and Gene's I'll get to tomorrow. They are being very good. [glow=red,2,300]Mel[/glow] |
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Post by Alisa on Apr 4, 2006 15:54:21 GMT -5
Tied down as in physically - since you probably do not have enough assistants. The pups might initially protest the restriction so it will have to be conditioned- you can try rewarding the calm ones w/treats - the rest will figure that treats come to calm dogs and settle down.
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He did find a home eventually, but what a cool Airedale he was. I was graced to be his bud.
