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Post by Farley Johnson on Jul 2, 2007 13:23:34 GMT -5
Anybody here breeding dogs, Airedales, in Texas for hunting boar? I'd appreciate some contacts if you know of any.
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Post by hicntry on Jul 2, 2007 16:27:06 GMT -5
Been racking my brain Farley, about who in Texas is breeding airedales. The only ones I can think of are show breeders. Can't think of any working dale breeders in Texas.
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Post by Farley Johnson on Jul 3, 2007 11:11:29 GMT -5
It is too hard to time air freight to temperature here and most airlines ive talked to have started a ban on air frieght animals for the summer. To drive to the border in any direction is about a 400 mile one way trip and i don't really have the time to drive farther than a weekend would allow.
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phil
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Post by phil on Jul 7, 2007 19:32:22 GMT -5
strong161@attwb.net>
Farley,
try the above email address for David Jones Victoria, Texas
If any one knows Texas hog game and the Dales that are in use
it will be David.
Hal
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Post by phil on Jul 7, 2007 19:32:50 GMT -5
strong161@attwb.net
Farley,
try the above email address for David Jones Victoria, Texas
If any one knows Texas hog game and the Dales that are in use
it will be David.
Hal
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Post by Farley Johnson on Jul 10, 2007 11:53:04 GMT -5
Why would I want to see this guy Phil?
You may think he knows what is up. Have you ever hunted with him? Have you ever hunted wild boar? From what you put up earlier, it seems to me that your friend is into disposable dogs. And why would I want input from a guy who runs boar off and not take them? We hunt them down, not run them off. But thanks anyway.
I have a line on some dogs that I will see this coming weekend.
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Post by Maverick on Jul 10, 2007 13:46:30 GMT -5
Why would I want to see this guy Phil? You may think he knows what is up. Have you ever hunted with him? Have you ever hunted wild boar? From what you put up earlier, it seems to me that your friend is into disposable dogs. And why would I want input from a guy who runs boar off and not take them? We hunt them down, not run them off. But thanks anyway. I have a line on some dogs that I will see this coming weekend. Well Farley, you are one ornery old cuss! You came on this board looking for help, and people have tried their best to help you out, and all you can do is deride their efforts?! Hal (why his handle is phil, I don't know) may not hunt boar or know that much about it, but at least he took a little time to try to help you out. Why bite his head off? Do you know David Jones? Hunted with him and/or his dogs? What makes you think he is into disposable dogs? Is there some private exchange that you are alluding to that is not posted here? You said you "would appreciate some contacts", is this the way you show appreciation? I am having a hard time understanding why you are busting Hal's chops! Pete |
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Post by jsf13 on Jul 10, 2007 17:41:33 GMT -5
Pete if you check out the posts below (both in Fur Training) I think you will put the pieces together.
More Hog Dogo Insight...
Insights from a Texas Hog Hunter!
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Post by Maverick on Jul 10, 2007 21:51:23 GMT -5
Pete if you check out the posts below (both in Fur Training) I think you will put the pieces together. More Hog Dogo Insight... Insights from a Texas Hog Hunter! OK, I see the part about disposable dogs, but it sounded like he ended up with a few good ones that were doing a good job of catching hogs. Didn't see anything about chasing hogs around all over the country, nor did I see anything directly implying he knew anything about Airedales hog hunting in Texas. Farley still comes across as a crotchety old fart with a lack of manners, kinda like the direction I'm headin'!!! ;D Pete |
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Post by jsf13 on Jul 10, 2007 22:49:40 GMT -5
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Post by Farley Johnson on Jul 12, 2007 12:11:55 GMT -5
Well Pete
I guess I came to the wrong place.
I am looking for Texas bred Airedales as more of a convenience than anything else at this time of year. I got your message about your dogs and thought I had responded politely to you offer. I also got one from another breeder out of state.
If knowing what I want makes me ornery, I stand convicted. I was hoping to get some info out of "normal" Airedale channels
by posting here. I have neither the desire nor inclination to argue with strangers. And I really don't need advice from strangers or their perspectives on boar hunting expertise and Texas "experts". No one I know has ever heard of the Victoria guy except Phil and I don't think he is even in Texas or hunting here. I did thank him for his input; as I thanked you for yours.
As far as expertise goes, I have access to two men who, between them, have about 75 years experience hunting wild boar with dogs in this part of the state. Both thought that an Airedale would be a great adjunct to my pack. I have run into difficulty with most of the people I have contacted from various breeders lists who seem to think that my style of hunting is cruel to the dog and the prey. I enjoy hunting boar with dogs.
Hunting this way is an ancient sport and was seen in many cultures as a rite of passage and in some, a kingly pursuit. I
want my young sons to have the opportunity to grow up participating in in this sport. In my opinion it will be a grand learning experience for them and give them an appreciation of nature and man's place in nature as a hunter. I don't want my boys thinking that hunting is all about killing with a gun. I prefer them to learn that hunting is about the chase and using dogs as hunting partners is fair to the game and naturally enjoyable for the dogs. It is the most natural way for man to hunt which is why I want them to experience it. Here we don't run boar off. Here we don't kill boar with a rifle from a distance. Our dogs do sometime get hurt and occasionally they are killed by the boar. But I feel certain more dogs are lost to vehicles than to pigs.
Before I logged on here, I looked at several other lists and posted on a couple. In reading some of the stuff here I had the impression that there may be some like minded folks to contact about pups or young Airedales. That is my only intent. I don't want argument as I spend most of my time either actively arguing or preparing to do so. I simply want to hunt my dogs, and add an Airedale, in my all too brief down time. Had I wanted a judgmental comment on the topic, I would have contacted my local SPCA office.
So, again....does anyone know of anyone in Texas who is breeding Airedales that will sell a dog to a hunter? If not, thank you all for your time.
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Post by Maverick on Jul 12, 2007 13:47:07 GMT -5
Well Pete I guess I came to the wrong place. I am looking for Texas bred Airedales as more of a convenience than anything else at this time of year. I got your message about your dogs and thought I had responded politely to you offer. I also got one from another breeder out of state. If knowing what I want makes me ornery, I stand convicted. I was hoping to get some info out of "normal" Airedale channels by posting here. I have neither the desire nor inclination to argue with strangers. And I really don't need advice from strangers or their perspectives on boar hunting expertise and Texas "experts". No one I know has ever heard of the Victoria guy except Phil and I don't think he is even in Texas or hunting here. I did thank him for his input; as I thanked you for yours. As far as expertise goes, I have access to two men who, between them, have about 75 years experience hunting wild boar with dogs in this part of the state. Both thought that an Airedale would be a great adjunct to my pack. I have run into difficulty with most of the people I have contacted from various breeders lists who seem to think that my style of hunting is cruel to the dog and the prey. I enjoy hunting boar with dogs. Hunting this way is an ancient sport and was seen in many cultures as a rite of passage and in some, a kingly pursuit. I want my young sons to have the opportunity to grow up participating in in this sport. In my opinion it will be a grand learning experience for them and give them an appreciation of nature and man's place in nature as a hunter. I don't want my boys thinking that hunting is all about killing with a gun. I prefer them to learn that hunting is about the chase and using dogs as hunting partners is fair to the game and naturally enjoyable for the dogs. It is the most natural way for man to hunt which is why I want them to experience it. Here we don't run boar off. Here we don't kill boar with a rifle from a distance. Our dogs do sometime get hurt and occasionally they are killed by the boar. But I feel certain more dogs are lost to vehicles than to pigs. Before I logged on here, I looked at several other lists and posted on a couple. In reading some of the stuff here I had the impression that there may be some like minded folks to contact about pups or young Airedales. That is my only intent. I don't want argument as I spend most of my time either actively arguing or preparing to do so. I simply want to hunt my dogs, and add an Airedale, in my all too brief down time. Had I wanted a judgmental comment on the topic, I would have contacted my local SPCA office. So, again....does anyone know of anyone in Texas who is breeding Airedales that will sell a dog to a hunter? If not, thank you all for your time. Farley - Now that you put it all in context, your reply seems reasonable. Just remember that for I and other people on this list, we are not privy to your other experiences or replies off this board. In the context of this board, you made a request for help, and were short and gruff in response to all offers. Your request is rather a tall one for Airedales at this time, as there is only one kennel raising Airedales bred for hunting hogs, and it is not in Texas. The vast majority of Airedales these days are bred for the show ring or pets. It is a sorry state of affairs that we are trying to change here. We would truly like to help you here, if possible. But what you ask within your constraints, may be beyond possibility. Thank you for your last response, and I hope you continue to post here! Pete |
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Post by hicntry on Jul 12, 2007 19:47:09 GMT -5
I thought you may be more concerned about getting good dog than the fact they had to be from Texas Farley. If the criteria is just from Texas, I might suggest getting in touch with Mr. Michael Delee. He has, from what I have been led to understand, bred a litter or two of airedales and he says they are the best...... If you just want an airedale. Call him. Hutto can put you in touch with him. I think you two may just hit it off.
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Post by jayhutto on Jul 12, 2007 20:18:08 GMT -5
Not sure why my name was brought up here since this is the frist time I have even looked at the boards in months and only then to laugh at the horse nuts about a cat hunt in the mid of summer in NM. Yes if you want some TxDales Ill put you in contact with Delee I have hunted his bloodline with great satisfaction. As for hitting it off as hic said, I doubt it, I am more of an asshole than Delee is.
Side note:
The guy in victoria is not a airedale hunter or even a one or two breed hunter, hell he isnt even a breeder, read the post he gets his dogs from pound. I have never heard of him and I have hunted victoria area often, not that i know everyone but from reading the post i wouldnt run my dogs with his. Disposable dogs is not a true hunters game although sadly to say there are some that do it, usally here where i am those kind give the rest of us a bad name and eventually get kicked of the ranches they hunt because the trash they pick up to hunt with will run anything. The key to that post "we chase them off" just means they dont have good enough dogs to stop a hog and anyone that has hunted hogs knows that even a big boar will come right back if he doesnt feel he is in danger. "Chasing them off" only makes for a meaner smarter boar that will kill someonelse's good dogs because he is being educated everytime he is "Chased".
Well i am off to chase something be back in a month or two...........
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Post by Farley Johnson on Jul 22, 2007 15:24:50 GMT -5
I got two pups from a panhandle kennel. Small modest operation but clean and healthy dogs and pups. The bitch is 9 weeks old and the male is 9 months old. Michael helped me choose the pups and located the kennel. This bloodline is an old one and is the stock that Henry Johnson started with.
I am getting good pointers from Mr Hutto and am starting them right. I hope to be hunting them steady by spring. There are very good Airedales in Texas which obviously comes as a surprise to
some of you. It's like Michael says, "Good dogs are where you find them". I found mine in the panhandle.
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