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Post by theresa on Jul 28, 2011 15:28:36 GMT -5
TD - I've bred 6 litters in 15 years. I did my homework, did my showing and titling, did my health testing and OFA certifications - I stacked my deck for what I wanted. What I got was very educational; I learned that I know squat - and that is very humbling. My last litter is a wash - I lost, so to speak; my pup full of promise is now being petted out and its back to the drawing board, albeit perhaps a bit wiser this time around. Even with the best laid plans "genetics happens" - you won't know what is hiding until it pops up - JMHO.
I don't think the problem with most breeds is the standard - I don't think its the standard that makes any breed a sick breed. Only those reading the blue print (standard) have the ability to screw a breed up.
Its gonna take a few decades and generations to know if your dogs are long lived, if they are exceptionally sound. How long are you giving yourself to prove out your line of AT's? At what point can you claim success? It could be when you are 6 foot under folks will say, dang - those TDT's are great dogs! Let's recognize them because I wanna show them! [Hey, it happened to Louis Dobermann, you just never know!]
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Post by thistlesdale on Jul 28, 2011 18:59:08 GMT -5
I don't think the problem with most breeds is the standard - I don't think its the standard that makes any breed a sick breed. Only those reading the blue print (standard) have the ability to screw a breed up. this topic deserves it's own thread IMO so I'm gonna start it |
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Post by montanahunter on Dec 10, 2011 15:34:43 GMT -5
You havent read a Darn thing I wrote. I am referencing Euro FCI Hunting Breed clubs (VDD, VDK, VPP etc). They have just about Extinguished all incidents of Hip dysplasia. This includes the Pudelpointer, Drahthaar, Jagd and Kurzhaar. NOT US Counterparts which are NOT tested or Other breeds like Labs, the most popular dog in America. US Breed clubs have NO mandatory Hip testing, or ANY testing at all to breed, hence the HD rate IS through the roof. You can go on and on, but you wont make a damn bit of sense. You've got the right idea. My first post. I've owned a lab, 2 GWP, a pudelpointer, 2 drahthaars and a Wheaton terrier. The Wheaton was my wife's idea not mine, but he was a tenacious dog that actually surprised me with how athletic he was and he had a decent nose too. That's why I'm toying with the idea of an Airedale. I'm a hunter, not a breeder. I'm Looking for a good dog that is easy to train and fun to live with. Of all those dogs the two drathaars were the easiest to train and to live with in the house. (Well, the wheaton wins for just being cute and no shedding hair was nice.) The lab had scores of health problems, the two GWP's were good but lacked the game drive the drahts had but still were decent, the pudelpointer was aggressive and had to put down and the Wheaton was just too short in the leg to hunt more than 30 minutes at a time and had zero natural interest in retrieving. In Germany a drahthaar has to jump into a pen, kill a cat or fox, and then jump back ot with the retrieve. Do you think that since the dog has to be able to clear the fence twice (once with quarry) it maybe has sturdy hips? Hip Dsysplasia is a result of careless breeding and no qualifications used to breed. Testing is how you save a breed. Testing is mandatory in Germany and breeding has to be approved by a breed warden. The Germans do it right. Is there a chance we can get German line Airedales? It might help the US lines. Blame the AKC in my opinion. Too much emphasis on show lines that can not function any longer. The hunt desire bred out and monstrous size and fluffy coats bred in. What is it in Airedales ... Oolong? I think it f'd up this breed, that's why the breed no longer resembles the dogs from 1890. What the Wirehaired Pointing Griffon hunting group had to go radical in order to save the breed. They imported Czech dogs and have done a good job with making the breed a hunting bread again. The OP ponders what it takes to make these breed retrieve better in water. I'd say breed for biddability and you've won half the battle, the other half would be to be more careful in the breeding program. Selective breeding works for other breeds, why not the Airedale? |
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Post by dcarmike on Mar 19, 2020 11:38:46 GMT -5
Lab vs Airedale retrieving, Lab is such a strong fast swimmer. Airedale will get the job done, just not as strong a swimmer. Special breeding as well. Every Lab I have been around will fetch a ball until 3 people can’t throw it anymore. The Airedale will do this some then get bored. The Airedale will keep a coon up the tree all night or keep fighting after most other breeds quit. I have never been a fan of Airedales as retrievers as it’s just not their bag. All round hunting and ranch dog the Airedale is great. If there is a specific thing for an Airedale it’s coon hunting in my opinion. They can track, tree and kill em on the ground. Just my opinion and I am an Airedale guy.
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